Date: November 23rd, 2015 8:58 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
how can you people side with/defend this guy? he purposely posted fake statistics to try to make black people look worse. if the true stats are so bad why not just post them? you really want someone this dishonest... leading the country?
I think this lib hatred has made some of you go crazy or something. you also criticize libs for defending backwards/evil shit just because it's on their "side" yet you constantly do the same thing.
and now you've managed to turn trump's dishonesty into a moral failure on the part of... liberals? i really hope I never get to the point where I'm defending crazy, evil shit just because it happens to be registered with the same political party I am
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:01 AM Author: massive bull headed lodge
I personally think it was a very tacky thing and do wish he had just posted the real stats. But he's up against an almost fully liberal media. They wouldn't have covered it if he posted the real stats. They would have ignored it. So he switched up the white stats, which of course outraged libs and got them to report on the real stats like he wanted all along.
If he doubled down and defended an incorrect graphic, I'd say that was over the line. Really all he did was just play the media's game.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:13 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
re-read your post. it sounds like it was written by a lunatic.
it's ok for a presidential candidate to post false crime statistics because the evil liberal media wouldn't have "covered him" (because they haven't been reporting on everything that comes out of the men's mouth for the several months) if he posted the REAL stats?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:30 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
uh, I didn't post in that thread. I didn't even see that thread. I'm in school and I post like once a week. I can't monitor the board.
you will NEVER find me defending the shit you defend though and I can't believe you compare your active support of trump and his racism to me not managing to denounce every xo thread on days when I probably wasn't even posting.
EDIT: 11/21 was Saturday. I spend the entire afternoon driving to my friend's surprise party in DC. I was interacting with my friends in the car, not posting at all. I even made a post that morning asking whether anyone wanted to meet up in DC:
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:35 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
lol
and now your excuse to start complaining about liberals! it's ok if we defend repugnant racism because certain liberals do not respond to every thread posted on xo when road tripping with their friends.
sigh there really is no winning with you nuts. going for that crack now
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:47 AM Author: massive bull headed lodge
Aside from the fact that two stats were transposed, which may have been an error to bait the media, what exactly was racist about what he did? Do you think the media would have posted all the outrage and corrections they did if he got the black on black stat too low? Or if police killings were too high? How is that not racist?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:24 AM Author: Bisexual tantric kitty cat
I think one can both criticize Trump for tweeting out an incorrect statistic, while also pointing out that the media is intensely liberal, to the point where the electorate at large is getting misleading information. Both are bad.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:02 AM Author: ocher kitchen
i hate trump but i think GTTTR may be right here - the real stats are of course much more balanced, but they still raise a lot of questions that many liberals would prefer not to answer. honest and smart libs have a lot of available theories of the sociology of crime that can explain the statistics, but there are a lot of others who probably haven't thought about it at all, and will resent whatever media outlet makes them.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:03 AM Author: Lemon mediation
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Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:14 AM Author: elite shivering generalized bond
It's not like he faked the stats himself. Thousands of people are tweeting stuff at him every day and he retweets a lot of it, responding in minutes. This time he happened to retweet something from a Johnsmeyer-like troll. Is he really supposed to fact check every retweet?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:16 AM Author: ocher kitchen
ideally a presidential candidate would have a good set of heuristics that would enable him or her to spot wrong statistics. instead trump seems to have a bad case of confirmation bias
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:19 AM Author: elite shivering generalized bond
lol, pretty sure every single POTUS candidate in the past 50 years has personally misquoted or mixed up statistics more than once, in actual debates and TV interviews, not just in some retweet.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:21 AM Author: Mind-boggling Stead
LOL. It's not like he mixed up statistics from an academic source. It's an image macro with some ghetto dude holding a gun sideways and is written in Comic Sans.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:28 AM Author: Vibrant Station Trump Supporter
CR.
I don't remember these libs getting up in arms when Obama repeatedly abused the 1 in 5 college women are raped, or the 73 cents on the dollar statistics, both of which have been thoroughly debunked.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:38 AM Author: ocher kitchen
i certainly did. and now those libs who *are* intellectually inconsistent, the next time they mess something up, they get to say the same thing about you - "i don't remember them getting up in arms about trump's race statistics."
if you want to have the high ground you have to actually occupy it
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:44 AM Author: Bisexual tantric kitty cat
i agree.
the problem, of course, is that libs occupy both the media and academia. it's certainly an uphill climb to get your message out when a political party controls both of those groups AND is intellectually dishonest, but i think you have to always strive to be as intellectually honest as you can.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:52 AM Author: Vibrant Station Trump Supporter
I agree with you and I am not a trumpmo. I just think that it's a little rich when libs complain about the misuse of statistics when they have entire advocacy-based fields of study, and base national policy on false and misleading statistics and are rarely called out on it.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 10:01 AM Author: ocher kitchen
believe me, brother, i am with you on disappointment in shitlibs. many of us on the left are starting to feel we no longer have a political home in this country.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:27 AM Author: elite shivering generalized bond
People retweet all kinds of random shit on twitter- it's kind of the nature of the medium. I guess I just don't expect retweets to be actual position papers.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:30 AM Author: indecent digit ratio jap
I wasn't replying to you, friend. Just saying those who get butthurt about politicians using flame stats had better be butthurt at basically every single politician.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:37 AM Author: Mind-boggling Stead
Yes if some Dem tweeted that garbage with an image of Chad Hesterton III bending a woman over his mahogany desk, I would think they were dumb and trolling too.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 12:15 PM Author: Mind-boggling Stead
Yes, I think all of that is bullshit. Like the guy above said: If you want to claim the high ground, stop stooping to their level with these fake stats and absurd images.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:04 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
the conservatives on this site are INSANE
-trump does something wrong:
he is the one who actually "race baits" - I don't see anything wrong with discussing race, but apparently you guys do (well, we all know you're obsessed with race and only dislike it when liberals discuss race but let's pretend you have principles for a moment)
on top of this he purposely uses false statistics
-xo conservatives accuse *liberals* of race baiting (well, they aren't actually saying anything now but I bet they're about to start soon!)
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:21 AM Author: Brass juggernaut bawdyhouse
oh Jesus Christ
like, say what you want about me, I only post things in political threads because I honestly believe them to be true/accurate. I'd never side with someone I felt was wrong/dishonest because they happened to be my race or a liberal or whatever. So I guess I expect that of other people. Whether I agree or disagree with their particular stance.
there are like 11 responses to my post. after that craziness from vous render I think I need to go smoke some crack or something so I can just stop giving a shit
if I don't die while looking for the crack dealer imma reply to the other posts y'all
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:34 AM Author: Bisexual tantric kitty cat
>> I'd never side with someone I felt was wrong/dishonest because they happened to be my race or a liberal or whatever. <<
We were talking about this last night (though I went to bed), but I think this is exactly why people say black voters are tribalistic. This happens all the time. I mean shit, look at someone like Charlie Rangel, who is a huge corrupt POS, and he pretty much gets 90-95% of the vote every single year. Why would he ever change?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:09 AM Author: ocher kitchen
can i ask you a question? i'm curious about your take on this.
a lot of the media seems to be reporting about trump as a "white male" phenomenon; his candidacy as the last gasp of the white supremacist patriarchy or something like that, i dunno. do you think there is something heavily, inherently racist/misogynistic about his campaign? i am with you in that, like - i don't get the trump love here and i think he's kind of a dumb joke, but - the media has presented him as someone for whom bigoted positions on race and gender are pretty central, and i haven't been able to see that. it concerns me because it makes me think we liberals are starting to have trouble making and understanding other arguments
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:15 AM Author: emerald background story people who are hurt
There was an article recently that dug into the poll numbers, and they actually show trump doing quite well with non-whites, including Hispanics - a lot of Hispanics hate him, but a lot of Hispanics like him. So he is polarizing, but he is not a white-only candidate. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, is very much a white-only candidate, and much more so than Trump.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:17 AM Author: ocher kitchen
this is interesting but i'm really talking about content and not appeal. is it the immigration thing and the megyn kelly stuff that makes people say this sort of thing? is it something else? is it just his attitude, maybe?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:17 AM Author: Mind-boggling Stead
CR.
Reptiles: Obama's divisive! BLM is race baiting.
Trump: *Tweets image of thugged-out gangsta next to made-up crime stats to troll*
Both Trump and the BLM people are race-baiting misleading shitheads here. Police aren't really a danger to blacks any more than they are to whites, and blacks aren't really a serious danger to whites either, only to themselves.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:29 AM Author: indecent digit ratio jap
The troubling stats aren't really interracial murder (though they put an end to the claim that whites are murdering black people at any worrying rate, and make plain that some fear of young black males is absolutely rational.)
The troubling stat is that black people murdered at incredibly high rates such that their 13% of the population commits like 50% of the murders. Specifically, young black males, which are like 2% of the population.
There is no other demographic, marginalized or poor or otherwise with that sort of murder rate.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:36 AM Author: Mind-boggling Stead
Agree 100%. The problem with what Trump tweeted is that it was inaccurate and designed to rile up whites thinking they're likely to be killed by a black person.
All he had to do was cite the correct stats without that stupid guy holding a gun on the side.
I think BLM are full of shit. I think pearl-clutching reptiles who think they'll be gunned down by violent blacks are full of shit. Blacks are mostly a problem for their own community. Get it?
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:18 AM Author: Talented lay
Because this is xo 2015 where we don't have as much political discussion, we just have weak little political fanbois who will follow the leader and sling poo when someone insults their team. many are good poasters and do it in jest, but others are dead serious.
They honestly want this to be their safe space like insane SJW libs
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:28 AM Author: Diverse house
Everyone here has a pretty strong free speech bent, and no one pushes for board rules on content other than outing. You can say what you want, you'll just get called an idiot for it. Not quite safe space control.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:37 AM Author: Bisexual tantric kitty cat
Oh come on now, this is your liberal bias.
People are routinely flogged on here for being too conservative. It happens all the time. Same with liberals.
You just think certain positions are reasonable because you agree with them. Sorta like how some of the lib posters on here keep calling Kasich "reasonable" or electable". They do that because they tend to agree with him more and are biased towards his positions.
Date: November 23rd, 2015 9:54 AM Author: Talented lay
There aren't calls to ban content the same way SJWs make them, though that thread wanting to ban TT was made because he supported an unpopular idea.
In any event I was using safe space in that there is a tendency now to meet criticism by creating an echo chamber of flinging poo and knee-jerk defense of any statement he makes, however inaccurate.
Maybe I should have used a different term idk, but many trump supporters here want to be free from hearing any criticism of their candidate the same way SJW types can't engage with dissent.