Date: February 13th, 2006 3:22 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Those of you who have received a list of summers at your firm, please post the school info here. Use a new name if you want to be anonymous or whatever. Or email it to xoxochecklist@hotmail.com and I'll post it for you.
I'll start with the ones that have already been posted in various threads.
Date: February 14th, 2006 12:12 AM Author: razzmatazz arrogant personal credit line
i don't think their total number is so high for them... i've just never seen numbers like that from one school for any firm, and they have two schools with 20+!
Date: February 15th, 2006 10:51 PM Author: rusted mind-boggling mental disorder forum
anyone who takes 3 hofstra kids and isn't a 6 person insurance firm on long island or the queens DA's office is a shithole. i didn't even know hofstra had a law school.
Date: February 17th, 2006 3:21 PM Author: Magenta Big Deer Antler
wow, angry aren't we? Perhaps that 6 needs to be bumped to 8 or perhaps you are clueless. At least 6 1L's are indeed going to SullCrom this Summer so get your facts straight big guy.
If you only kew who you were talking to you would realize how funny this is.
Date: February 17th, 2006 12:29 AM Author: Crawly stubborn windowlicker public bath
The numbers are pretty comparable to last year. 36 on NALP must include returning previous summers (from 1L or clerkships), of which there were a bunch. Also, i'm guessing about 4-6 of the OC summers are actually splitting with the CC office.
Date: February 14th, 2006 2:34 AM Author: Federal Supple Main People
Or anywhere in the country. Chicago people are more likely to go to Chicago, NY people are more likely to go to Columbia, but all of them will go to Harvard given the chance, and so will Joe Schmuck from Podunk Idaho, even if he's going to practice in Boise.
Date: February 18th, 2006 12:48 PM Author: floppy pale office
Interesting. Seems like the problem with comparing CCN is there's always ambiguity in the stats. I could just as easily conceive of NYU besting CLS with the firms you mentioned because CLS students turned them down, and vice versa.
Date: February 14th, 2006 12:01 AM Author: razzmatazz arrogant personal credit line
again, i'm not sure how much you can go by those, because so few people do it, and everyone is suspect of firm reporting. If you get good grades and apply everywhere, i'm sure you can move up.
also, if you have an offer at another firm that you turned down, they often let you reinterview without going through OCI.
Date: February 14th, 2006 12:56 AM Author: passionate tattoo
have you heard anything else from Weil? My friend is going there this summer and hasent received anything - other than that email you referred to - from them.
Date: February 14th, 2006 10:14 AM Author: 180 hairless internal respiration
No. But i regularly check the recruiting website. As of now, all we need to do is email a pic for the facebook by Mar 3rd, and make plans for orientation weekend.
Date: February 14th, 2006 2:53 AM Author: Dark friendly grandma coffee pot
I think Weil has a terrible reputation around NYU. Not that I know definitively by any means, but it's just the sense i get.
At least my impression of it is that it's a fucking sweatshop top 10, but markedly less prestigious then your S&C, DPW, CSM, etc. So anyone with an offer at any of those places is gonna take it over Weil assuming that's the route they want to go (most prestigious offer).
And many kids with offers at Weil who don't have offers at those places choose to take a firm with a better reputation for QOL that's ranked slightly lower.
Date: February 14th, 2006 2:03 AM Author: razzmatazz arrogant personal credit line
well, you can't have it both ways. They have a small class so they don't have to take kids from smaller schools, but then they don't get anyone at Yale. Seems pretty average for such a small class to only get 1 from SLS, 0 from yale, and 3 from HLS.
Date: February 14th, 2006 9:22 PM Author: Stimulating spot
Last year's summer class had 2 people from Yale. One did not accept his offer for personal reasons (clerking, girlfriend not wanting to be in NY). The other was the only person in the summer class NOT to receive an offer. Word is that the hiring committee felt there were serious problems with this person's writing skills. So I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of Yalies in the summer class was somewhat deliberate.
Date: February 14th, 2006 9:46 PM Author: razzmatazz arrogant personal credit line
that's pretty funny. I'd guess its a mix of the hiring committee not willing to take bottom-of-the rung yalies, and top-of-the rung yalies not being interested.
Date: February 14th, 2006 9:57 PM Author: Magical Persian
Peeple frum Yell right lyke dis, so they don't get hired. Professors that went to Yale talk about the lack of skills for firm work in reality. But alas, they are still number 1! :)
Date: May 6th, 2006 4:41 AM Author: vigorous buff water buffalo
Actually, when i was interviewing, the guy from Wachtell said they were disappointed because they were having problems with NYU students not accepting offers. They want to remedy this because all 4 founders are NYU grads
Date: February 14th, 2006 9:52 AM Author: Khaki alpha useless brakes
I was surprised by how few Stanford people there are, since the MoFo "best lifestyle" reputation seems to coincide with Stanford's supposedly laid-back attitude.
Date: February 14th, 2006 10:49 AM Author: gay pocket flask
a partner said they didn't like Stanford as much because they were too laid back. they like the east coast-trained students who are selecting for more laid back.
Date: February 14th, 2006 3:57 PM Author: Adventurous Mint State
mofo doesn't have a "lifestyle" rep at stanford. mofo might be "lifestyle" compared to east coast firms during oci, but it is definitely not anywhere near being laidback, esp. when all the other bay area firms are pitching themselves as way more laidback than mofo.
Date: February 14th, 2006 8:02 AM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Are these numbers legit? 29 from HLS is almost double what *any* NY firm got last year (and more than double what DPW got). Plus these numbers add up to a summer class of 125, compared with S&C and Skadden in the 80s.
Date: February 21st, 2006 11:28 PM Author: razzmatazz arrogant personal credit line
I don't think this is a problem. I have a feeling that a decent amount of people who go to Davis because its nice aren't really in the market for making partner anyway.
Becoming partner will depend much more on your commitment and abilities than on your competition. This isn't like law school admissions. If there are 10 people in your class who are really bright, they will all have a chance. If there are none, it isn't like they are going to make you a partner in desperation.
Date: February 17th, 2006 12:18 AM Author: talking volcanic crater
This actually reflects the fact that in the profession overall, UM (along with columbia & chicago)is considered roughly comparable to HYS. Partners won't see a huge difference.
Date: April 28th, 2006 4:12 PM Author: duck-like fragrant home
Well, she will if they ask the summers to all sit down and figure out, in multiple choice format, with 2 obvious wrong answers and aa 50/50 shot on the remaining two answers, exactly what color backpack Jenny was wearing and where she stould in relation to bill.
Date: February 14th, 2006 10:39 PM Author: greedy odious masturbator
So... the fact that Penn placed the same number as NYU and outplaced Stanford and Chicago must clearly mean that Penn pw3ns Stanford and Chicago and is on par with NYU for NY placement. SWEETNESS!
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:24 AM Author: greedy odious masturbator
LOL I figured I might as well put that out before all the Penn bashing began. As hard as it is to believe, Penn people get offers from Wachtell and Cravath. Penn people get offers from S&C, DPW, Skadden and everybody else without being on law review.
I would also like to point out that these numbers, while helpful, are not the end all and be all. There are people (from Penn that I know of and undoubtedly everywhere else) that got offers from the likes of Cravath or S&C and instead went to secondary markets because they wanted to. As hard as that may be to believe for the people on this board, it does happen. If the incremental prestige of a school increases or decreases based on one more or less person at these firms, at least keep that fact in mind.
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:27 AM Author: fantasy-prone aqua factory reset button
There is no reason to believe that these people are more common at Penn than anywhere else. No individual firm itself is meaningful...in the aggregate, the 10 or 20 most prestigious firms tell us something...
Date: February 15th, 2006 1:14 AM Author: greedy odious masturbator
That was my point. Other than Harvard with its enormous class and possibly CLS and NYU, every other school classes are so small at each law firm that 1 or 2 people could change the appearance of how the schools placed at those firms.
There are at least... I personally know of 3 that turned down top 10 firms for regional firms. If those three turned down, oh I dunno, say Davis, Cleary, and Skadden, that would make the people on this board go "wow Penn got 3 more people at top firms". As much as people love to go "this school is doing poorly" or "this school is doing well", its kind of hard to tell from this list.
Date: March 13th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: amethyst lascivious stag film
Sure there is: your logic is weak. I'd wager that all else equal, people who'd go to Penn (or other such places) over say Yale (who the hell would want to be in New Haven???--this in itself is an argument) or Harvard are the types of people who aren't purely fixated on prestige or hiring possibilities outside of markets they're considering, viz--people who consider quality of life as important, and see a better quality of life outside of the east coast, for example. This is surely a partial reflection of that fact.
Qualifier: I'm not in LS yet, but I find the amount of attention paid to prestige and rankings of law schools on this board to be incredibly stultifying.
Date: February 14th, 2006 12:28 PM Author: free-loading puppy Subject: Most Surprising Showing By Law School
Given its small size, I think Rutgers has so far made the most surprising showing thus far, having placed 7 of its grads in Top 7 firms (according to vault).
There's sure to be at least a few other Rutgers grads landing decent Vault100 jobs this summer, since Latham, Proskauer, Morgan Lewis, Dechert and Reed Smith all have offices within the state who interview on-campus.
Keep in mind the school has LSAT 25/75 percentiles of 154/161.
I wonder if these folks are going to be in a little bit over their head when they begin work in May, especially given the competition they're up against.
Date: February 14th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: free-loading puppy
touche
I was more asserting that if their logic/legal reasoning skills are not as adept as their T14 counterparts, relative perceptions of their memo/brief writing abilities might hinder a potentially fun and successful summer.
Date: February 14th, 2006 1:14 PM Author: Peach space
They hired 33 in the other offices. It seems they're aggressively trying to be a more national firm. I know they very much want a DC office. Maybe the thinking is that some LA partners will migrate to NYC, SF, and possibly DC, so they should put the brakes on LA associate hiring.
Date: February 14th, 2006 1:37 PM Author: pink striped hyena
i think they tried to bump up the hiring standards to disabuse people of the notion that they take anyone the breathes at harvard. this resulted in the low yield. i do find it interesting how much success they have had in their branch offices - they have some pretty damn impressive people in NY.
Virginia places a lot (by self-selection) in Secondary markets - particularly Atlanta. And there's also been only a few DC lists posted which is where a lot of the class goes. Wait for the lists for Covington, W&C, Latham(DC) and a few of the other top DC firms and I imagine UVA's numbers will outpace many of its 'peer' schools. Also there are lot of 'unknowns' in these lists which probably account for some of it as well
And for the same reason that a lot of the people at UVA choose it over higher ranked schools b/c of its laid back reputation and atmosphere, those same people are inclined to choose firms with a reputation for being more laid back and having a 'lifestyle' atmosphere over firms that may be ranked higher. This also contributes to the choice of secondary markets to some degree as well.
Date: February 14th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: Sticky racy chad sanctuary
I was actually surprised that there weren't any UVA students in the summer class for Wilmer(DC). There are a lot of UVA alumni that work there, even in comparison to the other DC-area schools.
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:04 AM Author: floppy pale office
On second thought, it's not so bad, especially for Chi placement. But if you leave out Chi it doesn't seem to have very many people at the NY or CA firms.
Date: February 19th, 2006 5:03 PM Author: church knife
The only thing there is to conclude from this compilation is that you go to either GULC or UCLA, and therefore, you are very insecure about UT. Get a life.
Date: February 14th, 2006 11:40 PM Author: Red telephone
As long as you recognize that you don't deserve it, you will be allowed to remain on this board. Knowing your place is the most important skill for a BigLaw associate to have. :)
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:00 AM Author: Mewling Beady-eyed Address People Who Are Hurt
during OCI, i offhandedly offended somebody from Jones Day by alluding to the fact that it's headquarted in Cleveland. apparently it isn't, and it's particularly naughty to say that it is.
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:34 AM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Global probably means this is the summer class across all offices, not just NY. But the only other offices are SF/SV and DC, and neither are very big, so it's probably not too significant.
Date: February 15th, 2006 1:15 AM Author: Charcoal Shrine
Is Columbia a lot bigger than NYU? If not CLS seems to place better...maybe someone should summarize this summer data by school. I don't go to either school, just making an observation.
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:08 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
The NY info is pretty good already, since most of the top firms are here. We could get LA just by adding Gibson and O'Melveny, although Skadden and Paul Hastings would also help.
There's some other stats that I think could be as good or better (callback %, maybe) but these are pretty interesting regardless. You're not going to seriously persuade anybody that Fordham and GULC students simply like White & Case better than Davis Polk.
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:22 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
For some schools this might be a big deal, but historically CLS and NYU have both placed overwhelmingly in NY. So unless there's a reason to think this year is any different, I don't think the numbers would change significantly. (Unless you were talking about schools other than CLS and NYU.)
Here you have all the biggest and most prestigious firms in the state, minus OMM and GDC. You weren't expecting someone to post the summer stats of Sheppard Mullin, were you?
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:13 PM Author: ivory locale
Not having OMM, GDC, and PH is excluding a couple of hundred LA summers. Quinn, Irell, Munger is all well and good, but those are very small summer classes.
And Chicago is missing all sorts of firms as well. If your goal is to compare Cornell and Columbia for NYC placement, you may have some good data, but for firms that send significant portions of their classes to Chicago and California, there is a TON of missing info.
Date: February 15th, 2006 12:42 PM Author: doobsian shimmering idea he suggested sound barrier
What I find particularly striking is that T1 Regional Schools seem grossly underepresented.
Wouldn't you expect half of the class to be from such schools?
The presence of T14's across the board in all markets, in place of many regional schools (ex above, Illinois, Loyola-Chicago, Missouri, etc) is striking
Date: February 15th, 2006 3:14 PM Author: Mother faggotry
I think the only school outside the T14 that MoFo NY interviews with is Fordham. I am sure a few of those are Fordham, but alas, I feel like Detroit Mercy may not have snuck one in this time.
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:35 PM Author: Glassy Stage Cuck
most fordham people use non-fordham emails b/c until the middle of last fall, when they switched us over to the ls system (from the ugrad system), the email was highly unreliable.
that said, mofo is famous for calling back a ton of fordham people and then not giving offers. i know of two LR people who were dinged after callbacks, and i was too. haven't heard of anyone who actually got an offer.
I don't know why F&R wouldn't be #1 for any IP person in Minneapolis considering that it is obviously one of the top patent firm in the Nation and they pay 135k plus a 10k signing/graduation bonus. M&G and SWLK do pay 125k and I think that Dorsey pays 125k for patent people, but that is still 20k short of F&R. Faegre pays IP the same as anyone else, meaning only 105k to start, 40k short of F&R.
EDIT: But I guess that I do know someone who is going to Robins Kaplan without looking elsewhere because he only wanted to do IP lit and was afraid that other firms would try to make him to patent prosecution. Plus, I think that he may be in a financial position where the pay is not a factor.
I thought I'd try to compile these in a cleaner format, but I'm so lazy that I'll only do this with a blog. I just did V-3, I've got a few others ready, but I need some feedback first.
Date: February 15th, 2006 4:22 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
I've been thinking about how to better organize this info too. Yours looks nice so far but it'll also get unwieldy after a couple more firms. But obviously being able to hide comments under each chart is one big plus.
I know, but at least it's all there. I re-dated them so they'll go in Vault order. I feel lazy right now so I don't know that I'll do many more right now, but the more here (or there), the more I'll compile
Date: February 15th, 2006 6:17 PM Author: Aromatic depressive
There has to be multiple tables conveying different information divided into different groups. Like school placement in V100 firms, V50 firms, V25, V10, V5, V3. You'll also want to do per capita. You'll also want to divide it up by region of the country. Then you'll want to do the reverse to see what firms get what types of students, instead of what students get what types of firms. Obviously the only man who has the skills to do all of this is GTO.
Geesh, not to beat a lame horse, but UIUC has only 3 summers on that whole top 11 list. And they are all at K&E Chicago, where, I would think, that was a pretty poor showing by such an alleged chicago favorite. Pretty weak.
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: painfully honest boistinker
I don't see what's so impressive. Their class size is HUGE (approx. 480 students).
Out of these 480, only 17 (3.5%) have gotten into Vault Top 10 firms, with ZERO showing at powerhouses like Wachtell, SulCrom, Paul Weiss and even lesser Biglaw firms like Wilkie, Gibson Dunn (NY) and MoFo (NY).
And most telling of all...ZERO PLACEMENT IN ANY FIRM OUTSIDE OF NYC!!!
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:41 PM Author: Glassy Stage Cuck
i know of several people, myself included, who got great jobs from fordham outside of nyc (but the fact is, 99% of the people at fordham WANT to stay in NYC). but i'm not going to post my summer class info, even under another moniker.
wachtell and sulcrom are the only two in the V10 that don't recruit on campus at fordham. willkie got dinged by fordham, not the other way around - i know a ton of people who turned down offers from them. for mofo, see my post above (they give a lot of fordham callbacks but not many offers). can't comment on GDC, other than that it's satan's own law firm.
edit - i also know a shitton of people who turned down higher ranked firms (including V10 and V5) for lower ranked firms for various reasons. part of being in nyc for law school, i think, is not being so enamored by the rankings. you can take the time to find the firm that's going to be the best fit in terms of personality and practice areas, so long as they all pay market.
Date: February 15th, 2006 11:58 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
I don't know anything about you, but if it's some tiny firm in some tiny market that nobody but you would be interested in, then that's okay. But if it's a fairly large firm (and keep in mind some pretty small summer classes have been posted on here) that some people might be interested in, I hope you'll reconsider. As I noted in the OP, you're more than welcome to email it to the address above and I'll post it -- I've done a couple already.
I think a lot of people have found this thread interesting and useful (for whatever reason) and I'd like to see it get more complete.
Date: February 16th, 2006 2:10 AM Author: painfully honest boistinker
"99% of the people at fordham WANT to stay in NYC"
I agree that a majority (perhaps a large majority) of Fordham grads want to stay in NYC, but to say 99% is just assinine.
New York offers the highest billable hour req's combined with the lowest quality of life of any major legal market in the country. NYC offers unbearably humid hot summers followed by freezing winters. Traffic, smog and filth that make you want to kill yourself. Plus, for $2000/month, you get to live in a roach-infested shoebox with a tiny window that provides only 5 minutes of actual sunlight on any given day.
There are FAR more desirable places to practice law throughout the nation (and the world). Any educated person knows this.
Thus, while I'm inclined to agree that many Fordham grad DESIRE to practice in NYC, I believe the rest are relegated to NYC by default, since the school has virtually ZERO name-recognition outside of NY, NJ and CT.
Date: February 16th, 2006 10:26 PM Author: Glassy Stage Cuck
who the fuck asked you? clearly, you know absolutely nothing about fordham or its students (or nyc for that matter). 99% might be an exaggeration, but 90% wanting to stay in NYC after graduation is FOR SURE on the low end. in fact, for oci this year, they had to send out a second request for people to bid on many of the non-metro area firms because so few students picked them in the initial bidding (and several of these were v50 in major markets, so it's not like they were podunk local firms in butt-fuck idaho).
the main draw of fordham is its location and placement in nyc (it's clearly not the buildings, nor the administration, nor the cheap tuition...). you don't go here if you want to practice in chicago, or dallas, or la, unless you lived in nyc before law school and don't want to move yet. but those people are few and far between.
Date: February 18th, 2006 11:25 PM Author: blathering ratface
This is true, the reason I came to Fordham is because I knew I wanted to live in NY after graduation, otherwise I would have gone to the schools in the T14 I got into.
Anyway, as it turns out I am still getting offers from firms on the west coast so it didn't make any difference for me.
Date: February 16th, 2006 3:20 PM Author: disturbing messiness
The information on this board regarding Fordham is not accurate - off the top of my head there are something like 7 Fordham kids going to Weil (it says 2 here) and 5 going to DPW (it says 1) - Sullivan does recruit here and several people turned down offers, not to mention the number of PW, Willkie and GD&C offers that were declined..
Date: February 17th, 2006 12:56 AM Author: Theater stage
i bet most of the "unknowns" in the summer class breakdown are fordham kids, because fordham's email is notorious for its unreliability.
i have first-hand knowledge of 3 declined sullcrom offers, 3 willkie acceptances, and 5 DPW acceptances. not sure about cravath -- at least 2 are going there this summer, but 1 declined a callback (and generated the rage of the OCI interviewer).
finally, fordham students are summering in SF, LA, DC, and boston. not in droves, of course, but it's better than nothing.
Date: February 17th, 2006 7:40 AM Author: Mewling Beady-eyed Address People Who Are Hurt
again, the reference to declined offers makes no sense, because it's clear that people at schools other than Fordham also declined offers, perhaps in even greater numbers, at all of these firms. and in any case, this list doesn't even pretend to account for that.
Date: February 17th, 2006 11:43 AM Author: opaque nibblets
No, you are confused. ONLY Fordham students turn down offers. Everyone else at every other school is so thankful to have any offers that they accept the first one they get right away.
You are correct that this Fordham "we turned down offers" trolling is bullshit and idiotic.
Date: February 17th, 2006 12:25 PM Author: Glassy Stage Cuck
you completely missed the context of why the turned down offers thing was posted - no one's claiming that fordham students turn down more offers than other school.
it's not trolling, it's in response to someone above who said that fordham wasn't placing people into v10 firms (i.e., that fordham students were shut out). then, it was just pointed out that fordham people did have offers at some of the firms named, but didn't accept them.
the only thing that's bullshit is the claims that fordham isn't doing well in placement.
Date: February 17th, 2006 12:37 PM Author: opaque nibblets
I completely understand the context. There are students at every school who turned down V10 offers. The difference is that there also many people who accepted them from those schools. You could say "oh my god, less than half of Harvard's class had V10 offers." The response of course would be "no, many people have turned them down for PI, lower ranked firms, government, etc." However, if you notice, Harvard still did pretty well.
The point is that Fordham people have not turned down firms in any greater proportion than other schools, so to claim that the numbers are misleading is ridiculous. If there are very few Fordham students in the V10 ranks, this means they didn't get proportionally as many offers as the schools who have higher placement. And lets not forget how ridiculously large Fordham's class is.
Fordham isn't a bad school, I almost went there. I just think that the claim that they have great placement in top firms is ludicrous when you look at the numbers.
Date: February 17th, 2006 1:00 AM Author: Glassy Stage Cuck
you're right about sulcrom. i don't know where i got that. wachtell and covington are the two v10 that don't do oci at fordham (though both solicit resumes through the career center).
Date: February 18th, 2006 12:45 PM Author: vibrant dragon karate
There is only 1 Fordham email on the DPW list, but there are 6 people who live in NYC with non-school associated emails, so there are likely a couple fordham people there.
Date: February 16th, 2006 2:44 PM Author: ivory locale
Date: February 15th, 2006 4:19 PM
Author: heSTILLhateme
I thought I'd try to compile these in a cleaner format, but I'm so lazy that I'll only do this with a blog. I just did V-3, I've got a few others ready, but I need some feedback first.
I've been thinking about how to better organize this info too. Yours looks nice so far but it'll also get unwieldy after a couple more firms. But obviously being able to hide comments under each chart is one big plus.
I know, but at least it's all there. I re-dated them so they'll go in Vault order. I feel lazy right now so I don't know that I'll do many more right now, but the more here (or there), the more I'll compile
It's a little deceiving because DPW has such a huge class. HY kids do make up about a third of the DPW class, but, in comparison, they make up almost half of Wilmer's DC class.
Date: February 18th, 2006 10:11 PM Author: claret marketing idea
to be fair, I don't think they give as many offers to as wide a group as Cleary or STB. If S&C made offers to all of the Cleary / STB people, I'm sure they'd get 20 people too. They seem to prefer a top performer at Rutgers than a median level performer at HLS.
Also, Cleary got PWN#D!!!1 this year - 5 people? That is less than S&C, and a little crazy when you consider how many offers they make.
DPW and Cravath seem to routinely pwn S&C, though.
"I don't think they give as many offers to as wide a group as Cleary or STB"
if you look at the last few years at HLS, you'll see that Cravath rountily pwns both S&C and DPW, indeed DPW somewhat pawns S&C, @ harvard. it's not about how many harvard kids go to each firm, it's who gets offers at what places and who accepts where. it's common knowledge that median kids routinely get offers at STB & Clearly and maybe even DPW.
last year harvard numbers (which say a lot more than total #'s from HLS in each summer class):
CSM: 82 on campus interviews (remember, there is a self selection factor here); 43 got callback offers; 38 took the callbacks; 23 got offers; 16 accepted (at least 5 of the 7 being WLRK kids).
DPW: 148 on campus interviews(again, remember self selection v. CSM); 75 get callbacks; 66 take call backs; 39 get offers; ONLY 13 (that's right only 13) accept
STB: similar numbers as DPW, except SIXTY get offers; only 15 accept
S&C: similar numbers as STB & DPW; 31 offers; only 8 accept.
Date: February 16th, 2006 8:27 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
This is looking pretty good. Only problem with doing it in Vault order is that it's going to be pretty hard to draw the line anywhere, since "low" firms like Irell and Munger are still interesting to a lot of people.
Date: February 16th, 2006 8:37 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Could you put a link on the site to this thread, btw. I don't know if anybody runs across that site independently, but if so it'd be nice if they wanted to add to the info.
Date: February 17th, 2006 1:36 PM Author: painfully honest boistinker
How is the data misleading? The data states what offices they refer to. Stats are stats my friend. Don't complain that your precious 2ndary offices arent being posted...it doesnt make the data revealed any more misleading.
Date: February 17th, 2006 1:43 PM Author: doobsian shimmering idea he suggested sound barrier
Yes, I appreciate the stats. However, the focus is on NY and many potential law students analyzing V25 placement may be misled by focusing on these stats (assuming they don't want the NY market).
Nonetheless, I think it's awesome..I'm just really eager to see results from other markets..
Date: February 17th, 2006 9:00 PM Author: Vermilion Confused
i hate to point out the obvious, but there are other factors people consider when deciding where to live and work. if NYC has the corner on "prestigious," how come some of the best and brightest choose to live and work in other cities?
like it or not, some people think NYC is a shithole with a cost of living that does not justify living there.
Date: February 17th, 2006 8:03 PM Author: unhinged orchestra pit
there are so few, many times only one, students from each school that you can't make this deduction. maybe the 3 kids offered at CLS declined while the 3 at NYU accepted...
Date: February 19th, 2006 4:04 PM Author: Cobalt really tough guy double fault
Relating to the person turned down, the interviewer then stated that even Harvard doesn't quite mean what it used to. Also, when informed that Harvard has over five hundred students, the interviewer--a partner--appeared genuinely shocked.
I finished the Vaule 25. It's scattered from here down, so I think that i'll just wait until we can fill in some more on the top with other offices and such. I'd really like to gte in some stats breaking down schools etc but I want to wait for more info. Is this really all the board has?
Date: February 19th, 2006 3:56 AM Author: Slippery dopamine
I'll be honest, I've never really heard of much success in MN. It's mostly only people from the region originally, and who are willing to do a significant amount of work on their own time to assure a job there, since very few from MN come for OCI. There are ND alumni working at firms there, but you've got to go find them and hope they'll help hook you up, because CSO is a limited resource.
Date: February 21st, 2006 4:02 AM Author: domesticated yapping half-breed
Your methodology is retarded. Why would UT students be barnstorming their way up to Minnesota? Most UT students are from Texas and thus stay in Texas. I'm sure that the UT career counselors will fear for their jobs upon learning that UT doesn't place well in the legal mecca of Minnesota.
Date: February 23rd, 2006 10:45 AM Author: church knife
Your methodology is indeed retarded or, at the very least, your results are.
You've taken an entirely negligible difference between UT and UCLA determined that UCLA is a far superior school. You've also decided that UT is complete shit even though UT seems to be popping up in a fair amount of these lists, though, admittedly, in smaller numbers. Still, placing students at Williams & Connolly in DC and Jenner in Chicago as well as a number of other pretty good firms is nothing to really scoff at. Your clear bias is pretty laughable.
Edit: Also, for the record, most Minnesotans would just be confused by a Texan. They would wonder if the Texan was retarded or just lost. Minnesota is a pretty insular place, especially if you're not from WI or the Dakotas (the states that tend to feed into Mpls) or if you're not from somewhere clearly better than MN, like NY, DC or CA. On the reverse, Texans don't go to Minnesota because it's too cold. The average Texan doesn't think there's anything weird about closing down schools because there might be freezing rain or *gasp* snow. In Minnesota, people ride their bikes in freezing rain, and on the first 45 degree day of the year, people wear t-shirts and act as if it's 80.
Date: February 19th, 2006 10:25 PM Author: Mewling Beady-eyed Address People Who Are Hurt
it's hard to say with certainty. although GDC is known as one of the big appellate players in DC, they also seem to have a good deal of general lit and one of the few solid corporate practices in the city.
GTO, what's your e-mail so I can send you my compilations?
STILL NEEDED - and I know some of you have got to have this info
Arnold & Porter LLP: Washington, DC; Denver, CO; Los Angeles, CA; McLean, VA; New York, NY
Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton: Washington, DC
Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP: New York, NY
Davis Polk & Wardwell: Washington, DC
Debevoise & Plimpton LLP: New York, NY
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP: Los Angeles, CA; Century City, CA; Dallas, TX; Denver, CO; Irvine, CA; Palo Alto, CA; San Francisco, CA
Jones Day: Atlanta, GA; Chicago, IL; Columbus, OH; Dallas, TX; Irvine, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Menlo Park, CA; New York, NY; Pittsburgh, PA; San Diego, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Kirkland & Ellis LLP: New York, NY; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Latham & Watkins: Boston, MA; Costa Mesa, CA; Menlo Park, CA; Newark, NJ; Reston, VA; San Diego, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy: Los Angeles, CA; Palo Alto, CA; Washington, DC
Morrison & Foerster LLP: Century City, CA; Denver, CO; Los Angeles, CA; Northern VA; Orange County, CA; Palo Alto, CA; Sacramento, CA; San Diego, CA; Walnut Creek, CA; Washington, DC
O'Melveny & Myers LLP: Century City, CA; Irvine, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Menlo Park, CA; New York, NY; Newport Beach, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison: Washington, DC
Ropes & Gray LLP: Boston, MA; New York, NY; Palo Alto, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Shearman & Sterling LLP: New York, NY; Menlo Park, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP: Dallas, TX; Los Angeles, CA; New York, NY; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC
Simpson Tacher & Bartlett LLP: Los Angeles, CA; Palo Alto, CA; Washington, DC
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom: Boston, MA; Chicago, IL; Houston, TX; Los Angeles, CA; San Francisco, CA; Washington, DC; Wilmington, DE
Sullivan & Cromwell LLP: Los Angeles, CA; Palo Alto, CA; Washington, DC
The guy from Jenner that came to WUSTL was the worst interviewer and least dynamic person I have ever met in my life. He made a rotting stump looks like Robin Williams on cocaine.
It is odd that they hire all those people from all those weird schools but no WUSTL, no ND, no Loyola, no Iowa...
Date: February 22nd, 2006 6:03 PM Author: Slippery dopamine
My interviewer from Jenner was not very good, either. That, or from my resume she could tell I wouldn't participate in the Che Memorial Celebration that Jenner planned later that week, and proceeded to ding me for twenty straight minutes during the OCI.
Date: March 4th, 2006 9:00 AM Author: maize cowardly gunner
I'm sorry, but compared to Kirkland and Sidley's results, those are just terrible. I haven't even heard of some of those schools. Did Jenner only attend OCI at the top 10 (where it did poorly) and then accept write-in apps for everyone else?
Date: February 22nd, 2006 12:40 AM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Thanks. I think this info has been interesting for everybody, and it's similar to what IH and GTO were doing in the early stages of their placement study.
I think the circular debate that happens here is interesting. Firms are seen as more prestigious when they attract more students from prestigious schools, and schools are seen as more prestigious when their students get hired by prestigious firms.
Date: March 3rd, 2006 8:32 AM Author: Misunderstood Slimy
Biggest Problem with this thread:
People are using the email addresses from the mass emails sent out by computer. 40% of the summer associates at my firm used undergrad email addresses instead of law school emails addresses. I think 40% is high, but there are a lot of people still using their undergrad email addresses on the resume. Thus, the data from this entire thread needs to be sanitized.
Date: March 3rd, 2006 1:39 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
If there are specific ones that you know are wrong, then point it out. I know that many of these are based on class lists sent out to summers, but you're right to raise questions. Hopefully as people get more complete information, we'll get updates.
Date: March 4th, 2006 1:20 AM Author: doobsian shimmering idea he suggested sound barrier
Prestigious yes, but far more inconsequential to 99.9999% of the people who are viewing.
I'll never be individually ranked at my T14, nor will most of the people viewing this board so who gives a **** that Yale has the most Scotus clerks? Or that NU got 1 in this year and GULC, Cornell, and Duke didn't? Makes no difference.
Date: March 11th, 2006 12:43 AM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Wouldn't they all be in the NY office? I assume many of these are splitting with a foreign office, but are any being hired directly by e.g. London or HK?
Date: March 15th, 2006 1:53 AM Author: Alcoholic sienna immigrant
It really depends on the school and the firm. But if you attend a school outside the top 25, you'll probably have to finish in AT LEAST the top ten percent of your class to work at any of the aforementioned firms.
Date: March 15th, 2006 2:06 AM Author: hideous Subject: not true
Not true, I'm sure Ohio State places very well with Jones Day and Wisconsin does great in Chicago... both schools are outside the T25 and it is not necessary to be top 10%
Date: March 15th, 2006 4:00 AM Author: Alcoholic sienna immigrant
The OP asked a very general question, and I was forced to give a general answer. Note that I even used the word "probably" to keep dumbfucks like you from trying to "correct" me; needless to say, it was in vain.
Date: March 30th, 2006 6:12 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
The lawfirmaddict blog was visually appealing (and I saved a copy, so that could always go back up again) but I think GTO had something more comprehensive in mind also.
Date: March 31st, 2006 11:28 AM Author: Slippery dopamine
Do you think we've exhausted the supply? I imagine most people know by this point, but either they're not posting or don't pay attention to a sticky this old and large.
Date: April 1st, 2006 2:38 AM Author: Turquoise jewess
I doubt that's true. I'm at NYU and I'd love to get an offer from any of those firms. Plus just look at all the WUSTL, Illinois, Vanderbilt etc trolling that goes on here and it's obvious that plenty of those students are around
Date: April 5th, 2006 11:36 AM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
I might have some time to figure out a spreadsheet, actually. What would the header row look like? I'm thinking Firm, Office, School1, School2... It just sounds like a pain to have to enter so many TTT schools. ;)
Date: April 5th, 2006 11:43 AM Author: Slippery dopamine
You're right, those header rows would suck. It'd ultimately to be nice, too, to have each school listed independently, where each ends up, then breakdowns of % of class in V-5, % V-25, etc.
In other words, lots of work. Let me know if I can help, I've got some things compiled.
Date: April 5th, 2006 4:11 PM Author: Dashing pisswyrm institution
Schools don't keep track of this info this early -- they might do a survey at the end of summer, but that's it. HLS has some pretty good recruiting statistics, but I think that's based on info provided by the firms.
Also some people (including me) are interested not just in how certain schools place, but also what certain firms' summer classes look like.
didn't know you wanted this info for right now. i see your point.
most firms (e.g. Williams & Connolly) post their previous summers' schools on their websites. again, this is not info on the upcoming summer, but it's a point of reference nonetheless. recruiting doesn't change drastically from year to year.
Date: April 11th, 2006 8:37 PM Author: doobsian shimmering idea he suggested sound barrier
Just when I was starting to wonder about why UVA is a T14 school based off the postings thus far, they show up with a bang in the tertiary Richmond market.
i think so, cause i know at least 1 person from my ttt lawschool that turned em down. I guess that whole sweatshop/assholes rep is really starting to bite em in the ass. but they still pay more than any LA firm.
Date: May 1st, 2006 10:09 PM Author: Smoky self-absorbed
I never said they weren't overwhelmingly NYC. But both schools pop up on lists of firms from boston, LA, SD, SF, Texas, DC. WHich is what the earlier post said.
"It's pretty amazing how Michigan manages to pop up on so many lists."
I think he meant something different from the fact that t14s occasionally show up on a list outside their regions. Corenll and Penn appear to be no different from NU or Duke with regard to how many lists they show up on.
it's my opinion that they shouldn't even rank the 2nd tier. 2nd tier means one thing: "solid regional school" and there's no way they'll ever stop being a solid school for the houston-area.
Sorry its taken me a while, apparently blogger thought the blog was spam, I'm working to get it back up at lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com, but I haven't looked at or compiled anything in a really long time, so any good stats may be a while from coming
Thanks I intend to. I just wish people weren't so shy about posting their numbers! It's a real help to have the stats, and the blog lets people do it completely anonymously--we'll see.