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NYT: FBI Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Working on Behalf of Russia
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Date: January 11th, 2019 8:45 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html
F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia 11-14 minutes
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Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times
Image Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditCreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times
WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.
The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.
Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.
The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, took over the inquiry into Mr. Trump when he was appointed, days after F.B.I. officials opened it. That inquiry is part of Mr. Mueller’s broader examination of how Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Trump associates conspired with them. It is unclear whether Mr. Mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter, and some former law enforcement officials outside the investigation have questioned whether agents overstepped in opening it.
The criminal and counterintelligence elements were coupled together into one investigation, former law enforcement officials said in interviews in recent weeks, because if Mr. Trump had ousted the head of the F.B.I. to impede or even end the Russia investigation, that was both a possible crime and a national security concern. The F.B.I.’s counterintelligence division handles national security matters.
If the president had fired Mr. Comey to stop the Russia investigation, the action would have been a national security issue because it naturally would have hurt the bureau’s effort to learn how Moscow interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Americans were involved, according to James A. Baker, who served as F.B.I. general counsel until late 2017. He privately testified in October before House investigators who were examining the F.B.I.’s handling of the full Russia inquiry.
The F.B.I. investigated whether the firing of Mr. Comey was a national security threat.CreditErik S Lesser/EPA, via Shutterstock
Image The F.B.I. investigated whether the firing of Mr. Comey was a national security threat.CreditErik S Lesser/EPA, via Shutterstock
“Not only would it be an issue of obstructing an investigation, but the obstruction itself would hurt our ability to figure out what the Russians had done, and that is what would be the threat to national security,” Mr. Baker said in his testimony, portions of which were read to The New York Times. Mr. Baker did not explicitly acknowledge the existence of the investigation of Mr. Trump to congressional investigators.
No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials. An F.B.I. spokeswoman and a spokesman for the special counsel’s office both declined to comment.
Rudolph W. Giuliani, a lawyer for the president, sought to play down the significance of the investigation. “The fact that it goes back a year and a half and nothing came of it that showed a breach of national security means they found nothing,” Mr. Giuliani said on Friday, though he acknowledged that he had no insight into the inquiry.
The cloud of the Russia investigation has hung over Mr. Trump since even before he took office, though he has long vigorously denied any illicit connection to Moscow. The obstruction inquiry, revealed by The Washington Post a few weeks after Mr. Mueller was appointed, represented a direct threat that he was unable to simply brush off as an overzealous examination of a handful of advisers. But few details have been made public about the counterintelligence aspect of the investigation.
The decision to investigate Mr. Trump himself was an aggressive move by F.B.I. officials who were confronting the chaotic aftermath of the firing of Mr. Comey and enduring the president’s verbal assaults on the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt.”
A vigorous debate has taken shape among some former law enforcement officials outside the case over whether F.B.I. investigators overreacted in opening the counterintelligence inquiry during a tumultuous period at the Justice Department. Other former officials noted that those critics were not privy to all of the evidence and argued that sitting on it would have been an abdication of duty.
The F.B.I. conducts two types of inquiries, criminal and counterintelligence investigations. Unlike criminal investigations, which are typically aimed at solving a crime and can result in arrests and convictions, counterintelligence inquiries are generally fact-finding missions to understand what a foreign power is doing and to stop any anti-American activity, like thefts of United States government secrets or covert efforts to influence policy. In most cases, the investigations are carried out quietly, sometimes for years. Often, they result in no arrests.
Mr. Trump had caught the attention of F.B.I. counterintelligence agents when he called on Russia during a campaign news conference in July 2016 to hack into the emails of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. Mr. Trump had refused to criticize Russia on the campaign trail, praising President Vladimir V. Putin. And investigators had watched with alarm as the Republican Party softened its convention platform on the Ukraine crisis in a way that seemed to benefit Russia.
Other factors fueled the F.B.I.’s concerns, according to the people familiar with the inquiry. Christopher Steele, a former British spy who worked as an F.B.I. informant, had compiled memos in mid-2016 containing unsubstantiated claims that Russian officials tried to obtain influence over Mr. Trump by preparing to blackmail and bribe him.
In the months before the 2016 election, the F.B.I. was also already investigating four of Mr. Trump’s associates over their ties to Russia. The constellation of events disquieted F.B.I. officials who were simultaneously watching as Russia’s campaign unfolded to undermine the presidential election by exploiting existing divisions among Americans.
“In the Russian Federation and in President Putin himself, you have an individual whose aim is to disrupt the Western alliance and whose aim is to make Western democracy more fractious in order to weaken our ability, America’s ability and the West’s ability to spread our democratic ideals,” Lisa Page, a former bureau lawyer, told House investigators in private testimony reviewed by The Times.
“That’s the goal, to make us less of a moral authority to spread democratic values,” she added. Parts of her testimony were first reported by The Epoch Times.
And when a newly inaugurated Mr. Trump sought a loyalty pledge from Mr. Comey and later asked that he end an investigation into the president’s national security adviser, the requests set off discussions among F.B.I. officials about opening an inquiry into whether Mr. Trump had tried to obstruct that case.
But law enforcement officials put off the decision to open the investigation until they had learned more, according to people familiar with their thinking. As for a counterintelligence inquiry, they concluded that they would need strong evidence to take the sensitive step of investigating the president, and they were also concerned that the existence of such an inquiry could be leaked to the news media, undermining the entire investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election.
After Mr. Comey was fired on May 9, 2017, two more of Mr. Trump’s actions prompted them to quickly abandon those reservations.
The first was a letter Mr. Trump wanted to send to Mr. Comey about his firing, but never did, in which he mentioned the Russia investigation. In the letter, Mr. Trump thanked Mr. Comey for previously telling him he was not a subject of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation.
Even after the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, wrote a more restrained draft of the letter and told Mr. Trump that he did not have to mention the Russia investigation — Mr. Comey’s poor handling of the Clinton email investigation would suffice as a fireable offense, he explained — Mr. Trump directed Mr. Rosenstein to mention the Russia investigation anyway.
He disregarded the president’s order, irritating Mr. Trump. The president ultimately added a reference to the Russia investigation to the note he had delivered, thanking Mr. Comey for telling him three times that he was not under investigation.
The second event that troubled investigators was an NBC News interview two days after Mr. Comey’s firing in which Mr. Trump appeared to say he had dismissed Mr. Comey because of the Russia inquiry.
“I was going to fire Comey knowing there was no good time to do it,” he said. “And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”
Mr. Trump’s aides have said that a fuller examination of his comments demonstrates that he did not fire Mr. Comey to end the Russia inquiry. “I might even lengthen out the investigation, but I have to do the right thing for the American people,” Mr. Trump added. “He’s the wrong man for that position.”
As F.B.I. officials debated whether to open the investigation, some of them pushed to move quickly before Mr. Trump appointed a director who might slow down or even end their investigation into Russia’s interference. Many involved in the case viewed Russia as the chief threat to American democratic values.
“With respect to Western ideals and who it is and what it is we stand for as Americans, Russia poses the most dangerous threat to that way of life,” Ms. Page told investigators for a joint House Judiciary and Oversight Committee investigation into Moscow’s election interference.
F.B.I. officials viewed their decision to move quickly as validated when a comment the president made to visiting Russian officials in the Oval Office shortly after he fired Mr. Comey was revealed days later.
“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
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Date: January 11th, 2019 8:55 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Jesus, this is an outright lie
"Mr. Trump had caught the attention of F.B.I. counterintelligence agents when he called on Russia during a campaign news conference in July 2016 to hack into the emails of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. "
He specifically stated that IF Russia already had her emails, they should release them |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: January 11th, 2019 8:59 PM Author: richard clock (ggtp) i was watching that press conference at the time, and it was clearly tongue in cheek. the amount of mileage the media and russia faggots are getting out of that is ridiculous (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576411) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:05 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office It READS like this may be a big deal, but anyone who actually watched the press conference and thinks it wasnt tongue in cheek is being disingenuous (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576440) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:02 PM Author: Saffron Puppy ? What?
"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"
That quote? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:10 PM Author: Saffron Puppy "Hope you are able" refers to the future fyi
He added
" Let's see if that happens. That will be next"
interesting. It's even more damning with more context.
He also announced today he prefers China to Americas democratically elected leaders. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:11 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit The implication is they (or someone else) already hacked her server and had her emails
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:13 PM Author: Saffron Puppy "Let's see if that happens. That will be next"
Your read seems to be a little strained. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:15 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Your read is that statement is Trump asking Russia to hack Hillary's already destroyed server? Yes or no? Because that is the current forcememe by the NYT and the rest of the media, let alone the fucking FBI (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577010) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:17 PM Author: Saffron Puppy No. Its that trump was asking that they find her emails. And he did. It's right there in plain English. Future tense. "Next" indicates future FYI.
Was it known in July prior to gowdy's announcement that bleachbit had been used?
Were emails ever discovered anywhere besides her server? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:21 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Again, the implication was that Hillary's server had already been hacked and so someone already had all the emails that she deleted. If Russia had them already, then you can maybe read that statement as Trump asking Russia to release emails they had ALREADY hacked. But you cannot read it as Trump asking Russia to now hack her emails.
Here is Hillary and her "wipe it with a cloth" moment in August 2015
And no, those deleted emails were never discovered. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:24 PM Author: Saffron Puppy So it was not publicly known the server was destroyed in July 2016? Got it.
Trump: "I hope you're able to find them....that's next."
Clearly he was asking them to do oppo research on his political opponent. It's right there. Plain English.
You're wrong btw. Emails were later found in October. You understand emails by nature are not just on one server right? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:25 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit It was publicly known in August 2015 the server was wiped. Did you not click the link? Why would you hack a server that had been wiped? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577068) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:28 PM Author: Saffron Puppy I did. It was a joke from clinton. That confirms nothing.
Again
Emails were later found so the idea its impossible trump could have been asking that russia find emails because they were all deleted doesnt work.
And his plain English words "next" clearly refer to finding in the future.
And finally emails by their nature can be found elsewhere then the server on which they are hosted. We all know this to be true as it actually IRL happened close to the campaign.
Basic facts. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:29 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Taking your argument at face value: asking Russia to find emails elsewhere isn't asking them to hack Hillary's server
This is the NYT statement:
"Mr. Trump had caught the attention of F.B.I. counterintelligence agents when he called on Russia during a campaign news conference in July 2016 to hack into the emails of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. " |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:31 PM Author: Saffron Puppy Fine. Maybe he was asking that russia politely request the emails from Hillary. Great point.
But regardless we know for sure he was asking that russia try to find emails in the future. Maybe that refers to hacking (my theory) or maybe it refers to russia politely asking Hillary for them because there is no way he could have asked russia to hack her emails because a year earlier clinton mocked a reporters question by asking whether her server was wiped by a clothe (your theory). |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:34 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit He was obviously making a tongue in cheek joke to highlight the fact someone had already hacked her emails because the opsec was terrible
Not talking about Hillary's joke. We knew they wiped it. From the link, which linked to this story:
Clinton's campaign has previously acknowledged that there was an attempt to wipe the server before it was turned over last week to the FBI. |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 6:38 AM Author: Cream Charismatic Hall "Attempt to wipe" = there's now way Trump could have used "find" in future tense (it's natural meaning) because there is no way Russia could have found the emails anywhere in existence?
Even though we know some were found later?
And even thought Trump used clearly future tense in both instances, he was referring to past actions? Odd.......
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Date: January 12th, 2019 8:49 AM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit "finding" emails floating around in existence isn't "hacking Hillary Clinton's emails" you nitwit
With that line of argument you've already fucking conceded the statement is a falsehood |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 4:48 PM Author: salmon irradiated mad-dog skullcap HAHAHA, he was responding with his pumo. Holy fuck what a loser (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37580522) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:13 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter the timeframe doesn't even make sense. her server had been wiped by then so how would they hack it? I suspect foreign powers do have her emails though. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576494) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: Demanding State Just ignore them. They're insane and not arguing in good faith (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577125) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:25 PM Author: cobalt provocative locale “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you are able to find the 30.000 e-mails that are missing” (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576819) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:54 PM Author: Saffron Puppy Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,
Who is the liar? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:06 PM Author: Hideous concupiscible parlour becky (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576452) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:01 PM Author: Razzmatazz Indirect Expression (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576423) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:06 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault @pwnallthethings
But if the FBI *ever* deployed counterintelligence against a sitting president, the only correct action would be to dismantle the whole agency and forever salt the ashes where it once stood.
5:51 PM - 11 Jan 2019 This guy is liberal btw. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:07 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576459) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:07 PM Author: Titillating university "deployed counterintelligence against a sitting president"
what does this mean? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault Subject: quoting The headline suggests to readers that FBI began a counterintelligence investigation against the president to see if the president was acting at the direction of Russia in firing Comey But the article's content is far more limited: FBI sought to see if the president's action to fire comey constituted criminal obstruction of justice It's a distinction that matters. If the president commits crimes, it's appropriate for law enforcement to investigate it. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:11 PM Author: Titillating university The article says literally nothing. "The investigation into Trump has criminal and counterintelligence components" - wow, thanks NYT!! (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576485) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: salmon irradiated mad-dog skullcap can someone translate this into ebonics for him? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576473) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:13 PM Author: Titillating university 2019 will be the worst year of this reality TV criminal's life. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576493) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 9:17 PM Author: salmon irradiated mad-dog skullcap Worse than your year when your grandpappy died and you became a huge alcoholic drinking at trials? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576520) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:01 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit https://twitter.com/_drew_mccoy_/status/1083901626354671616
This investigation will be one of the biggest stories in American history when all is said and done.
Either the President is a traitor or the national security apparatus of the government acted as if he might be because they didn't like his policy choices.
Neither is good.
And I tend to think if they had an evidence Trump is a traitor, we probably should have heard about it by now.
It's not exactly the kind of think you sit on for over a year while the guy is still President.
We will see, or at least we better.
If there's no smoking gun or actionable information (impeachment) from Mueller, we absolutely have to see the information that led to the opening of the investigation, classifications be damned.
If it turns out the FBI opened a counter intelligence investigation on the President because he fired the FBI Director and the GOP platform on Ukraine and they don't come up with the goods, a lot of FBI officials need to go to jail and we need an entirely new FBI.
What's laid out in that NY Times piece is *incredibly* thin to turn the FBI loose on a sitting President. There better be more...a lot more.
Obama told Mevedev he'd have more "flexibility" after the 2012 election. He mocked Romney for saying Russia was our primary strategic threat and he went soft on Russia after the Ukraine invasion.
Did the FBI think Obama was a counter-intelligence threat to the US?
If there's nothing there on Trump, this is going to come down to Comey setting it in motion because he felt he fucked up the Clinton case, isn't it? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:04 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office We're been saying this for 2+ years already. Every fucking piece of info that could be damaging to Trump has been leaked by the Mueller camp and there's still no there there. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576730) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:05 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit The other thing - FISA "counterintelligence" started during the leadup to the election
Papadappulous, Page, et a
So counterintelligence on the Trump campaign started before fired Comey |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:06 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office Cr. The whole insurance policy thing (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576736) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:04 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter Either the President is a traitor or the national security apparatus of the government acted as if he might be because they didn't like his policy choices.
I don't see how you could frame it any differently. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 12:57 AM Author: Titillating university Going with choice A (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37587460) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:13 PM Author: Mauve Pistol School lol of course it's #2 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576766) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:02 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1083918676162695168 Even liberal natsec lawyers are saying deep state coup. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:05 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter However much you dislike the status quo, you'd much rather live in a country where elected branches are a check on the national security establishment than the other way around. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576734) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 11:00 PM Author: Appetizing Field (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37593083) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:12 PM Author: fluffy shitlib JFC at those comments. They are painful to read. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576760) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:22 PM Author: Sticky umber space good tweets (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576811) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:06 PM Author: fluffy shitlib Dems will provide cover for all of these fucks and nothing will come of it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576737) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:07 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter sad but cr. cuck gop too. lol Mueller and Comey were 'republicans' (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576738) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:07 PM Author: Pea-brained Avocado School Cafeteria Community Account > WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
in other words these people all watch too much fucking msnbc. nuke dc. |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:08 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter Trump should move FBI headquarters to Wyoming (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576743) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:13 PM Author: fluffy shitlib I think Des Moines would be perfect. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576767) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:16 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit He should fucking disband the whole agency if they did what we all increasingly think they did (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576786) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:46 PM Author: Titillating university Their jobs? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576899) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:36 PM Author: rebellious elastic band church https://www.al.com/news/2018/11/fbi-announces-1350-jobs-moving-to-huntsville.html (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576856) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:08 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office They also used a Yahoo story to get a FISA warrant (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576745) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:41 PM Author: Demanding State No, worse than that. The Yahoo story was planted by Steele and then used as support for Steele's dossier (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577154) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 11:14 PM Author: Appetizing Field (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37593161) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:12 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit https://twitter.com/_drew_mccoy_/status/1083920955976626179
The idea the FBI should feel free to open an investigation criminal, counter-intel, hybrid, whatever you call it because as an institution its leadership thinks the constitutionally elected President's policy choices may constitute a national security threat is scary as hell.
There were many reasons I opposed Trump. The way he views alliances as through a financial lens, his glib dismissal of NATO Article V, and yes, his soft and naive approach to Russia were prime among them. But they were aired during the campaign and he won.
So many of the people who see Trump as a threat to cherished norms are awful willing to throw plenty of norms overboard to get him.
That's as dangerous, if not more so, than Trump has proven to be (as of right....now). |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:14 PM Author: aquamarine odious faggot firefighter I'm sure this will be bort moderate LTM's take. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576773) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:19 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office *esteemed, fair minded bort moderate (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576798) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:32 PM Author: Wild contagious crackhouse The bureaucracy has been trying and continues trying with all its might to undermine and remove from office the democratically elected POTUS. And media and dems and cucks cheer them on. Best evidence I've ever seen that we're done here. Depressing as fuck (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576839) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:47 PM Author: Titillating university This guy is grappling with reality. Other Trumpcucks need to get to where he is. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576901) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:44 PM Author: massive range laser beams Didn’t we already learn that McCabe opened an investigation into Trump? Strongly suspect that the same usual anti-Trump suspects were behind this at the time, and this story is merely recycling shit we already know while shamelessly hiding who was behind the “investigation.” (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576891) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:53 PM Author: Purple police squad I was gonna ask something similar. How is this breaking news, I thought it was old news or maybe I was dreaming or something (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576920) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:22 PM Author: rusted cumskin theater stage Literally every piece of “evidence” in that article is stuff we’ve known for almost two years or more (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577038) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:28 PM Author: Purple police squad (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577092) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:44 PM Author: Demanding State Trotted out as a new "bombshell" to distract from the Wall.
They are literally going to use this shit for his entire term |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:45 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Hey our President is a Russian puppet traitor but we're gonna take all 4/8 years of his POTUSY to give you evidence! (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577170) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 10:53 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1070150068735365120 Related to this? |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:13 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1083910215819579393 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37576999) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-knocks-the-fbi-over-new-trump-russia-report-this-is-why-you-dont-criticize-them/ (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577180) |
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Date: January 11th, 2019 11:50 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit Charles XII reading the bort yny (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577185) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 12:45 AM Author: Bipolar Jew Nursing Home One dope side effect of DOnald trump is that conservatives are now coming to realize that being accused of a crime means jack shit in terms of your actual culpability (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37577369) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 3:43 AM Author: Aphrodisiac indecent site You are the same lunatic birdshits who claimed the FBI had to have endless investigations of HRC over her stupid fucking email server.
Now when the fucking FBI thinks maybe Trump is Putin's buttboy you are like OH DISSS DEEEP STATE WAT DISS
JFC at you morons. Really ask yourself what you would say if Obama had done all this bullshit.
Go eat shit you faggot birdshits |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: motley low-t old irish cottage (Turdskin logic) (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37578627) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 10:44 AM Author: Sticky umber space The former is a criminal investigation: you investigate a crime. In This case Hillary keeping a private server and then destroying the evidence while under subpoena.
The latter is a counterintelligence investigation: you investigate a person (Trump) and every aspect of their lives to try to find a crime.
That a counterintelligence investigation was launched against trump based on the unverified Steele dossier is so horrendous and such an abuse of power that only an American hating turdskin like you could still be defending it. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:19 AM Author: Aphrodisiac indecent site it wasnt just based on the steel dossier u are really so fuking stupid u think the FBI finds out abt that and within a minute is like OH WE OPEN AN INVESTIGATION NOW NIGGAS
they had STREAMS of other fuking info abt trump being a fuking traitor include signals intel im sure, they fuking monitor all russian suspected agents in the US and in europe |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 5:08 PM Author: Burgundy sex offender spot "Really ask yourself what you would say if Obama had done all this bullshit." Uh, ok, what bullshit? Here are the facts. Multiple government agencies have spent 2.5+ years, tens of millions of dollars, and untold man-hours trying desperately to find any evidence that Trump conspired with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election. And to this day, they haven't shown a single shred of evidence to that effect.
LOL at this mouth breathing conspiracy theorist. It must be tough being wrong all the time. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:20 AM Author: Aphrodisiac indecent site they've already indicted 33 fucking ppl, incuding his NSA advisor, campaign advisor and personal lawyer. We only know maybe 25% of what they have found. We already know his fucking son colluded during the trump tower meeting. We know his son in law wanted to set up a back channel. We know one of his top advisors, roger stone, talked to assange. We know Cohen likely went to Europe to meet with Russians
If obama had done all this ljl at GOP not going BATSHIT fucking insane |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 11:11 AM Author: Burgundy sex offender spot I know that this pumo is just flaming, but let's just take its points one-by-one.
"they've already indicted 33 fucking ppl, incuding his NSA advisor, campaign advisor and personal lawyer." - Yeah, they indicted two dozen random russians, got people to plead guilty to 18 USC 1001, and nailed Manafort for cheating on his taxes in 2005. Nobody has been convicted--or even charged--with conspiring with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election.
"We only know maybe 25% of what they have found." - This is a great example showing how shitlibs subconsciously realize that all of these bullshit investigations haven't turned up jack shit on Trump. They fall back on "hurr durr, maybe Mueller has something up his sleeve that we don't even know about."
"We already know his fucking son colluded during the trump tower meeting." - No we don't. If meeting with a lawyer who promised (but failed to deliver) oppo research on HRC is bad, then why are you guys okay with the Clinton campaign using a cutout (Steele) to purchase disinformation on Trump from literal Kremlin agents?
"We know his son in law wanted to set up a back channel." - First, there's no evidence any such "back channel" ever came to fruition. Second, "back channels" are common in diplomacy. Again, if this is all you've got, it betrays the weakness of your conspiracy theory.
"We know one of his top advisors, roger stone, talked to assange." - No, we don't know that. And even if he did, Stone was not on the campaign.
"We know Cohen likely went to Europe to meet with Russians" - No we don't. This is another conspiracy theory that the HRC campaign bought from Kremlin agents.
Nice try, pumo. |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 9:19 AM Author: maniacal boistinker It’s hilarious that they think a cheap hustler like Trump could have that level of intelligence (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37578376) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 5:04 PM Author: Burgundy sex offender spot L-o-fucking-L at this nothing article. So the "breaking news" is that there is yet another bullshit witch hunt "investigation" into President Trump that hasn't turned up a god-damned thing on him.
And I love watching XO's mouth-breathing Russia Conspiracy Theorists desperately trying to believe that this means they finally have the bad racist orange man. |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: salmon irradiated mad-dog skullcap WLMAS is sick and maybe we shouldn't make fun of him (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37580596) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 5:09 PM Author: Soul-stirring flatulent office Dont speak too soon. We haven't heard xo's esteemed bort moderate's take on this yet (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37580609) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 7:17 PM Author: Judgmental gay wizard orchestra pit (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37581144) |
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Date: January 13th, 2019 5:48 AM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1084166425319796737 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37583085) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 12:36 AM Author: Infuriating brilliant wagecucks the left is unprincipled scum
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:11 AM Author: sooty lodge The FBI is absolutely finished as a credible American institution. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37587496) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 1:19 AM Author: Titillating university 50 ruble (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37587521) |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 4:52 AM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-grounds-can-fbi-investigate-president-counterintelligence-threat HLS prof diapers FBI. |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 11:23 AM Author: Nofapping point "deeply imprudent"
"extremely careless" |
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Date: January 14th, 2019 9:05 PM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://twitter.com/BrokenBonez24/status/1084998369104285696 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37592321) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: January 14th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: richard clock (ggtp) thanks Charles. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37592344) |
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Date: January 15th, 2019 2:49 AM Author: blue adventurous double fault https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/tucker-carlson-brian-stelter-palace-eunuch (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4175825&forum_id=2#37593960) |