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Dumb here. What does Roe v Wade say about abortions?

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supple blood rage
  05/20/19
it's in a penumbra
mildly autistic plaza partner
  05/20/19
Idk what that means. Can you explain?
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it
mildly autistic plaza partner
  05/20/19
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ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
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motley rebellious garrison hominid
  05/20/19
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Yellow Sandwich Spot
  05/20/19
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dull pit gay wizard
  05/20/19
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Beady-eyed Khaki Locale
  05/20/19
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diverse police squad
  05/20/19
it's a liberty protected by the constitution
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later
Bronze boistinker internal respiration
  05/20/19
The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and...
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
great summary
mildly autistic plaza partner
  05/20/19
where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th...
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations c...
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shi...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case Griswol...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the c...
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
same spot
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution
bespoke ladyboy
  05/20/19
blame republicans in 1868
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
Same strain of religiousity
bespoke ladyboy
  05/20/19
lmao at the state of our “country”
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the ...
Confused set
  05/20/19
Except less honest about the charade
Passionate Area
  05/20/19
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bateful office
  05/20/19
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of pr...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justic...
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
No Everyone agrees there are certain times where the consti...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the consti...
motley rebellious garrison hominid
  05/20/19
lol not even thomas thinks this
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
many people are saying this
motley rebellious garrison hominid
  05/20/19
-@realDonaldTrump
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
Amy Barrett does
talented abode
  05/20/19
no con justices do not believe the constitution provides ...
motley rebellious garrison hominid
  05/20/19
con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy ...
comical maroon chad address
  05/20/19
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Beady-eyed Khaki Locale
  05/20/19
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Submissive headpube public bath
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bateful office
  05/20/19
Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when ...
Opaque trust fund hall
  05/20/19
Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.
Trip flushed shrine
  05/20/19
I have 2 dads
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
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mildly autistic plaza partner
  05/20/19
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=123341239458352...
Shaky home degenerate
  05/20/19
it has been years since law school, but basically, the state...
hairraiser wine mad cow disease hunting ground
  05/20/19
How did it come up with a trimester approach?
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
made it up that's why casey overturned it, because it was s...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/20/19
Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law...
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
first-mover advantage
mildly autistic plaza partner
  05/20/19
Be it’s more famous not flame Casey is controlling...
bateful office
  05/20/19
Can you tell me what Casey says?
supple blood rage
  05/20/19
Case I believe is the one that says something like the state...
hairraiser wine mad cow disease hunting ground
  05/21/19
Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?
supple blood rage
  05/21/19
24 weeks.
vibrant amethyst parlour boiling water
  05/21/19
Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about. 1. Roe...
Chestnut multi-colored state crotch
  05/21/19
So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after ...
supple blood rage
  05/21/19
Depends
electric slap-happy therapy kitty cat
  05/21/19
It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions a...
ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel
  05/20/19
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bateful office
  05/20/19
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filthy peach filthpig
  05/21/19
This is helpful. Thank u
Curious massive clown dilemma
  05/20/19
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electric slap-happy therapy kitty cat
  05/21/19


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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: supple blood rage



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261883)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: mildly autistic plaza partner

it's in a penumbra

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261889)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:17 PM
Author: supple blood rage

Idk what that means. Can you explain?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261905)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: mildly autistic plaza partner

I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261922)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261930)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: motley rebellious garrison hominid



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261983)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: Yellow Sandwich Spot



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262048)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: dull pit gay wizard



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262463)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:27 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Khaki Locale



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262487)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: diverse police squad



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264262)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

it's a liberty protected by the constitution

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261921)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: Bronze boistinker internal respiration

That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263116)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:20 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and cast penumbras. Those emanations and penumbras are detectable by liberal justices and mean that democratically enacted laws are unconstitutional when they don’t comport with the liberal dogma of the day. The same analysis doesn’t apply to reach conservative results - it’s a one way street. It turns out that one of those emanations means that it’s unconstitutional to impede a woman’s right (found in a penumbra) to commit infanticide in certain cases. This summary is 100% true and serious.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261925)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: mildly autistic plaza partner

great summary

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261929)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: supple blood rage

where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th amendment?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261947)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:25 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations come from the actual written guarantees in the bill of rights. The real trick is that it’s only possible for liberal justices to discern these emanations. Then they can figure out what rights are found in their penumbras.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261953)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shit

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261963)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261988)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case

Griswold court is all "penumbra"

Roe court is like "wow y'all hated that penumbra shit, ummm it's maybe 14A? but it could be 9A idk"

Casey court is "okay, we hear you, 14A, it's 14A"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261994)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:53 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the constitution is the right to engage in homosexual sodomy?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262328)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:05 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

same spot

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262388)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: bespoke ladyboy

That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262397)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

blame republicans in 1868

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262423)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: bespoke ladyboy

Same strain of religiousity

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262452)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:42 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

lmao at the state of our “country”

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263040)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:43 PM
Author: Confused set

It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the Book of Mormon

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262045)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: Passionate Area

Except less honest about the charade

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263323)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: bateful office



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264239)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment, or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment. These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" are included in this guarantee of personal privacy. They also make it clear that the right has some extension to activities relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261961)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: supple blood rage

So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justices) agrees the constitution gives us the right to privacy, the question for decades has been whether the right to privacy included the right of a woman to abort?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261995)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:37 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

No

Everyone agrees there are certain times where the constitution protects certain things that are private in certain contexts

There's no freestanding "right to privacy"

Better question for court today: does the fact that the state shall not deprive anyone of "liberty" without "due process of law" include the "liberty" to abort

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262009)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: motley rebellious garrison hominid

That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the constitution provides that no one shall be deprived of "life" forbid the state from countenancing abortion under any circumstances? (the answer is yes)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262018)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

lol not even thomas thinks this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262022)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: motley rebellious garrison hominid

many people are saying this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262032)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

-@realDonaldTrump

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262055)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:31 PM
Author: talented abode

Amy Barrett does

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262998)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:38 PM
Author: motley rebellious garrison hominid

no

con justices do not believe the constitution provides a freestanding "right of privacy." They believe the constitution provides many specific protections - such as a right to be free from unlawful search and seizure - but that there is no general protection for privacy anywhere.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262012)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:49 PM
Author: comical maroon chad address

con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy rights being protected that libs would not protect

libs? when it suits

kyllo

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262072)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Khaki Locale



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262393)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Submissive headpube public bath



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262458)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: bateful office



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264235)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: Opaque trust fund hall

Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when you’re in that shadow you can kill babies.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262001)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:00 PM
Author: Trip flushed shrine

Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262107)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: supple blood rage

I have 2 dads

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262117)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: mildly autistic plaza partner



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263109)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:10 PM
Author: Shaky home degenerate

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12334123945835207673

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262415)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:29 PM
Author: hairraiser wine mad cow disease hunting ground

it has been years since law school, but basically, the state has to balance the woman's interest in privacy with the state's interest in protecting the baby and then came up with a trimester approach, where the woman's interest trumps in the first trimester, the state's interest can trump in the third trimester, and in the second trimester there can be reasonable limitations.

This later got morphed into something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262992)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: supple blood rage

How did it come up with a trimester approach?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263270)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

made it up

that's why casey overturned it, because it was sps

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263276)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:32 PM
Author: supple blood rage

Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law then?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263321)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: mildly autistic plaza partner

first-mover advantage

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264241)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: bateful office

Be it’s more famous not flame

Casey is controlling

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264252)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:51 PM
Author: supple blood rage

Can you tell me what Casey says?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264276)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 9:00 AM
Author: hairraiser wine mad cow disease hunting ground

Case I believe is the one that says something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265289)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: supple blood rage

Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265799)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:53 AM
Author: vibrant amethyst parlour boiling water

24 weeks.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265873)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: Chestnut multi-colored state crotch

Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about.

1. Roe is like an important kind of precedent we can't just toss out.

2. While we were kind of uncertain where in the Constitution talks about abortion, we're saying it's a woman's "liberty" under the Fourteenth Amendment.

3. The "trimester" framework we made up was SPS so we're throwing it away and instead saying the woman's liberty interest is high before fetal viability and low after fetal viability.

4. Any laws restricting abortion before fetal viability can't place an "undue burden" on the woman (which means pretty much whatever 5 justices say).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265980)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: supple blood rage

So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after 24 weeks?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266016)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: electric slap-happy therapy kitty cat

Depends

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266061)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:57 PM
Author: ivory embarrassed to the bone sex offender chapel

It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions are just edicts announced by five disconnected “intellectuals” dressed up in 50 - 200 pages of obfuscatory “legal reasoning” and “constitutional law”.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263457)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: bateful office



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264253)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: filthy peach filthpig



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264454)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Curious massive clown dilemma

This is helpful. Thank u

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264257)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:56 AM
Author: electric slap-happy therapy kitty cat



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265897)