Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:16 PM Author: sapphire community account box office
Because violently charging someone’s vehicle and preventing them from backing out without running over someone created an imminently harmful situation?
Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:24 PM Author: sepia deep gunner
She was clearly trying to escape the situation, was being blocked from doing so, and had a reasonable expectation of getting worldstarred by these women who were only escalating.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:26 PM Author: jade costumed rehab love of her life
A white woman was just charged with a felony in Michigan for blocking a black woman's car from backing out of a space. In Michigan you are allowed to use deadly force to prevent the commission of a violent felony, which this is.
Therefore she is 100% justified, which is why she was initially arrested but released without charges.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:17 PM Author: greedy market
So the black women flipped out over a tiny everyday simple mistake and escalated until the white lady felt threatened enough to pull a gun, meanwhile news already reporting on the racist white lady ljl
Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:38 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
The black woman wanted to escalate. White woman not only took the bait but stupidly escalated it - fucking over not only herself but her family as well - by whipping out her pistol.
1L Crim Law Answer: The pistol only would have been justified if there was an actual threat of bodily harm. There was only threat to property here which doesnt justify the threat of lethal force
you think only threat is to property when someone is willing to put herself in harm's way of your vehicle in order to prevent you from leaving peacefully?
Date: July 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
when they were inside the car yes, threat to property is the most obvious/clear threat here. if they started breaking the car's windows/going nuts, you'd have more of a point and drawing the gun would have been more justified
they should have just drove away or even just stayed inside the car/called the cops
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:09 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
As far as I know they could have drove away. The window wasn't smashed nor does the video show that there was a sustained attack - it looks like a petty smacking of the car.
We don't require people to make the best move but drawing a gun on someone disproportionately is a crime. If I was on the jury, I'd believe that Shaniqua thought she could be in imminent danger/battery, thus meeting the apprehension requirement for assault. Gunslinger here is guilty (not the husband though)
Tl;dr - you can't whip out your gun on someone because they make you angry.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:08 AM Author: Irradiated Bat-shit-crazy Mother Abode
i think we just witnessed how far too many blacks/whites/criminals interact with police.
while this interaction resulted in nothing, sometimes the white lady/cop pulls the trigger and people end up dead who otherwise would have lived had they not challenged the gun toter
Look, fuck Shaniqua and her daughter here obviously, but having said that...
In my CCW class the instructor ran through the requirements in our state that need to be met to use deadly force in self defense, but then distilled it to one simple question: would you rather face PROSECUTION with the full weight of the state and it’s resources behind it than the threat that you’re currently facing. I’ve never been criminally prosecuted but can imagine it would suck balls, especially for if for a serious felony. Most of the time the answer to the simple question is going to be no, especially in the current insane anti white political climate in this country. If the answer is yes then at least you’ll have no regrets.
Right this is the argument I would make and that her lawyers will make, but you only draw if you’re going to shoot unless you’re a peace officer. If you’re going to use deadly force just run the dumb bitch over if that’s the justification, much easier to defend that action.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:00 PM Author: sapphire community account box office
REMINDER: this happened because the left/MSM is gaslighting blacks into thinking every white person is racist. Many are now emboldened by this, taking videos of any mundane interaction with a white person, escalating encounters that shouldnt be, etc.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:04 PM Author: sepia deep gunner
I'm sure the whole thing was being recorded bc the women feared for their black bodies after the assault and wasn't at all some race baiting shit to make the news
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:04 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
Yeah but its also an indication of how much entitlement that this woman has in thinking she can whip out a gun whenever her temper blows over without consequences.
I saw this thinking that the black woman physically punched her or something - the response was not warranted.
Also, lol at XO rushing to defend this JAPpy Karen
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:12 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
And then she gets in the car and they could have driven away.
JFC, is this even a law/prestigious board anymore? Or is this just NPC 4chan/stormfront wanting 100 bumps for some anti-black shtick regardless of the nuances of the situation
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:16 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
They were backing up and then drive FORWARD after the gun is pulled.
Even if this was the case and there was a human chain around the car, they should have called the cops.
Remember that video of the meth-freaks harassing a black family inside the car? Do you think they would be justified in jumping out and popping everyone with a gun?
100%. TCR here tho is to just film them back and say nothing. Don’t get me wrong I wish that weren’t the case, but if I bump into a black woman and she started laying into me calling me a cracker and filming I’m just going to get in my car film her back and say nothing until she leaves. I’m not independently wealthy and need my LOLJOB to pay my mortgage and feed my kids. I’m not losing everything for some chimped out negress unless I’m in fear for my life, which frankly I wouldn’t have been here. I guess I’m not a pregnant jewess tho.
xo's favorite Mexican-American CGWBT conservahero reporter is on this:
Savanah Hernandez @sav_says_
White woman ALLEGEDLY bumps into black teen. Black teen calls her racist, her black mom then harasses the white couple for several minutes/threatens to beat their ass, they try to drive away, black woman follows then hits their car, white woman then gets out of car and pulls gun
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:14 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
If the blacks here were white XO would be jumping on this Karen for being an entitled Jewess.
This "Savannah Hernandez" just wants attention from conservatives (i.e., $$$) for re-tweeting NPC'ing right wing viewpoints. She'd drop your cause at the first sign of real trouble
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:19 PM Author: Thriller range
Agree. No heroes here. The mom+daughter team were out of line and looking for a fight, etc. Abhorrent behavior. But the white woman took the dial up to 11 waaaaaay too quick. Massive, unwarranted escalation. Should have stayed in the car and threatened to call the police and then actually called the police if the mom and daughter didn't walk away.
Wouldnt calling the cops be even worse since they police are racist and literally hunt down and murder black people? If I was black I'd prefer having a gun pulled on me by a non-racist white person like the lady instead of a racist police officer.
Everyone saying pulling out a gun is going too far, ask yourself what else would have made the black woman stop. Who was trying to de-escalate and remove herself from the situation, who was escalating?
She escalated, threatened violence, brought in race, then blocked and hit the car preventing the situation from immediately ending. Would more "discussion" have brought the confrontation to an end? Should the white couple have just sat in the car for an indeterminate amount of time? What else should the white couple have done?
I see nothing wrong with what the white woman did. her patience finally ran out. It is racist to assume that the white woman should have an unlimited amount of patience and restraint but the black woman needn't have any. Again, who wore out whose patience and created the situation.
Now, look at who lost their jobs and is being charged. If you lawyers want to bring an actual legal defense, yes it is reasonable to fear for your life when someone is threatening you with violence, hits your car, and blocks you from leaving the situation. At that point, it is foreseeable and reasonable to believe they would physically harm you or a loved one.
Make the black woman stop what? She was running her fat mouth and I get the said I’ll beat your ass but are you willing to pull a gun on a black person bc of that alone in the current climate? I wouldn’t trust a Wayne county jury to find that action reasonable or the threat lethal and imminent.
Did you miss the part where she hit the car and stopped them from leaving thus continuing the encounter and escalating from yelling and verbally threatening violence to contact?
in this context, yes. the black woman continuously upped the ante and became MORE aggressive as the confrontation continued. Remember, the black woman prevented the confrontation from ending.
What is then the next logical step in that observed behavior pattern? How can one reasonably assume it would stop? Was there even a way it would stop other than the ending we saw?
Tell me, if there was no gun drawn, what happens next?
Yes, sitting in the car and calling the cops is the correct move at that point. I carry almost everywhere I go and there was no reason to draw on that woman.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:44 PM Author: impressive vibrant milk
Pulling out a gun is a serious thing.
Under your threshold (which is dictated by some nebulous standard of reasonableness i.e., not expecting "unlimited patience"), someone can pull out a gun when their patience runs dry and when they're not under imminent danger of bodily harm.
If you think that this couple was under imminent danger of bodily harm, then I hope you're not a lawyer because that would be a pretty shitty defense. They were in greater physical danger while they were outside the car having an altercation (in which the Karen doesn't pull out a gun).
There were many alternatives to the escalation of pulling a gun when someone hits your car. Note too that they did not surround the fucking car either. Staying in the car and calling the cops would be the right thing to do and doesn't involve "unlimited patience."
Calling the cops is what's expected of people in this situation and should be the behavior of people in a civilized society. Yes, she threatened to beat her ass. Also note however that she doesn't physically touch her and keeps her distance. There's a difference between "smack talk" and a threat communicating a real apprehension of harm. Context is important.
On a side note, I blame the fucking husband for not controlling his woman and not stopping her from pulling a gun in a situation like this. It's funny that this woman also feels that the cops are going to side with her in this situation (Note that she only says she wants to call the cops while she's pointing a pistol at an unarmed woman - she's so deluded and entitled that she thinks she's in the right. It reminds me of boomers who think they know "the law" without any actual knowledge of the law. Such an attitude stems from their constant narcissism and self-righteous - they FEEL right all the time so they must be)
Anyone supporting this kind of behavior further enables/encourages women doing shit like this, which will only make things worse. Note that many of the BLM incidents of "overt" racism involve white women.
It's because most guys know better than to escalate stupid shit situations like this because we have a sense of the consequences. White dudes not being able to control their women are a big cause of this problem. Sadly, the white knights on this board defending this woman suggest that this problem will only get worse.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:37 AM Author: White Know-it-all Nursing Home
your exactly right: she lost all patience, which was exactly what the two black antagonists wanted. they were trying to paint her into a corner where there were only bad choices left to her. whether or not she, in fact, found herself with no good option, she gave the provocateurs exactly what they wanted in the end.
I can understand making snap decisions in short time under adrenaline while you are feeling 'threatened' in some sense. the strongest 'Karen, don't draw!' argument poasters are making ITT, albeit from the comfort of their post hoc detached observer vantage point, is that at the end of the day despite her frustration level and, yes, probably some subjective physical fear but surely also some subjective awareness of our current 🤡🌎 BLM zeitgeist of the past month, this Karen still gifted them a video of a white person pointing a loaded gun at an unarmed black mother who was, putatively anyway, trying to come to the aid of her child (her acting like a total jerk in so doing notwithstanding).
from what I saw the sheboon was wrongfully using 'force' to impede the car but not *really* threatening any physical harm to the occupants once inside. like I said, I can understand how she'd snap in the heat of the moment, but understanding how she got on that path isn't the same as it being the best of all possible paths. I could see myself ending up the same if I were in her shoes, but after the fact I'd probably really wish I'd just put the car in park, locked the doors and called police/waited for them to leave me alone.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 5:34 PM Author: vivacious pungent home
I know these movements. The black women thought the white woman was alone and were surrounding her. She 100% would've been jumped if her husband didn't show up when he did.
Couple Charged After Videos Show White Woman Pulling Gun on Black Mother
Widely circulated videos showed a white woman pointing a gun at a Black woman as she filmed with her cellphone in a parking lot in Orion Township, Mich.
By Alan Yuhas and Michael Levenson
July 2, 2020
Updated 6:49 p.m. ET
A couple have been charged with felonious assault after widely circulated videos showed a white woman pointing a gun at a Black woman in a parking lot in Michigan, the authorities said on Thursday.
In the videos, the Black woman and her teenage daughter confront a white man and woman outside a Chipotle restaurant in Orion Township, Mich., on Wednesday. The exchange quickly escalates from an argument about an apology into accusations of racism, with a gun held only a few feet from the Black woman as she filmed with her cellphone.
At a news conference on Thursday, Sheriff Michael Bouchard of Oakland County, Mich., said the woman who had pointed the gun and her husband had each been charged with felonious assault, which carries a maximum penalty of four years in prison.
The Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office later identified the couple as Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42.
Both had guns in their possession when they were taken into custody, Sheriff Bouchard said.
The sheriff explained the charges by saying that “any weapon that could cause serious and potentially deadly injury can be charged as a felonious assault.”
The episode began when the two parties bumped into each other in the doorway of the Chipotle, Sheriff Bouchard said.
“One person said they didn’t realize they had bumped the other person with the food bag, and the other person felt they needed to get an apology,” he said. “Then it escalated from there.”
He urged members of the public to try to defuse tense situations at a time when many are on edge.
“My plea is, please let us all try to be that voice of calm in the storm, and remember each one of us is a human being that deserves respect,” he said.
As the videos spread on social media on Wednesday night, they quickly drew comparisons to footage taken on Sunday of a white man and woman pointing a semiautomatic rifle and a handgun at peaceful Black protesters on a private residential street in St. Louis. The demonstration was one of dozens against racism and police violence that have been taking place across the country for weeks.
The Detroit News, which reported on the Orion Township altercation early Thursday, shared both videos, the longer of which — at just over three minutes — shows more of the encounter. The News identified the mother as Takelia Hill and quoted her as saying that the argument began because the white woman had bumped into her daughter and was yelling “in my daughter’s face.” Ms. Hill could not be reached for comment.
The videos, recorded by Ms. Hill and her daughter on Wednesday evening, do not show what happened before the argument began. In one of the videos, Ms. Hill can be seen standing in front of the white woman, and her daughter says, “This ignorant woman bumped into a 15-year-old.”
After an angry, profanity-laced exchange, including accusations of racism and demands that the police be called, the white woman returns to her minivan and says through a lowered window that “you cannot just walk around calling white people racist.”
“This is not that type of world,” she says. “White people aren’t racist. No one’s racist. I care about you. I care about you and I’m sorry if you had an incident that has made someone make you feel like that. No one is racist. I’m sorry if you had something like that happen.”
As she speaks, Ms. Hill repeatedly asks, “Why would you bump her?”
The camera briefly turns away from the minivan as it backs out of a parking spot, and the teenager shouts for her mother to watch out.
Ms. Hill then asks whether the couple were trying to hit her with the minivan, and hits the back of the vehicle with her hand. The white woman exits the car holding a handgun and, using profanity, tells Ms. Hill to “get away.” The woman cocks the gun and points it at Ms. Hill, who is standing a few feet away.
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“You’re going to shoot me?” Ms. Hill says, and she, her daughter and the armed woman ask for someone to call the police. The woman tells Ms. Hill not to jump behind her car, which Ms. Hill denies doing, and then the woman begins to scream at Ms. Hill to back away. Crying can be heard. The woman eventually lowers the gun and gets back in the minivan, and it pulls away.
“Call the police, no, don’t go anywhere,” Ms. Hill says. “You were about to hit me with the car.”
Her daughter can be heard saying: “These white people, they’re so racist. They pulled a gun out on my mom.”
Sheriff Bouchard said the authorities responded after they received six 911 calls related to the altercation, each of which he played at the news conference on Thursday. He said officers ordered the white woman out of the van, put her on the ground, handcuffed her and took her gun.
Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:05 PM Author: Awkward crackhouse
I get that, but merely arresting and prosecuting every white person who tries to defend themselves is going to make this country unlivable and embolden people to start shit with random white people.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:12 AM Author: Irradiated Bat-shit-crazy Mother Abode
The sheriff explained the charges by saying that “any weapon that could cause serious and potentially deadly injury can be charged as a felonious assault.”
An article on Thursday about an altercation between two women in a parking lot in Orion Township, Mich., misstated the race of one of the women and her husband. They are Jewish, not white.
Gun laws seem very fact intensive. The other side committed an assault, battery and false imprisonment at the very least. It doesn't make sense that they weren't charged.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:35 AM Author: khaki dilemma
This was not justified self defense. See a therapist about your anger issues if you can’t analyze this without race clouding the fact pattern for you. Are you really lawyers lol? Please don’t become judges.
So anyway, the white woman did not reasonably fear for her life when she got out of the car and brandished a gun.
You are a giant faggot if you think this was false imprisonment.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 12:56 AM Author: Erotic wonderful chapel codepig
this is why i don't carry a gun. i would be too inclined to overreact like she did. looks like they had enough space to drive away after they backed up. regardless, the husband could have fended her off with his bare hands.
Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:49 AM Author: Naked Bateful Chad
Standing behind the car was false imprisonment but more importantly it was designed to prevent the passengers from retreating to safety. It was literally trapping them in a dangerous situation with angry people threatening them.
Normally libs are all "you could have retreated!" but here they did retreat and the escape was blocked by angry people.
The reasonable inference is that the blockers meant to harm. The reasonable inference is that the blockers did not want the people in the car to reach a safe position.
Date: July 4th, 2020 8:09 PM Author: khaki dilemma
The teenage girl was not a threat to the people in a 2,000 pound vehicle.
They could have backed out slowly. They could have called the cops.
If you are actually stupid enough to believe that brandishing a firearm was justified then you must be stupid enough to think it would have been justified to run the girl over. Right?
i don't think a firearm was warranted, but i do think they should have run the stupid bitch over
slowly
however, it's not as if the stupid bitch is blameless. if we can cross areas of law. she acted like stupid bitch to an eggshell whitey and could have gotten got for her idiocy
Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:48 AM Author: Translucent offensive station dingle berry
What I don’t get is why the husband has been charged with a felony and apparently fired from his job.
“Eric Wuestenberg, who is identified on the Oakland University website as a veterans support services coordinator, also was fired.
"We have seen the video and we deem his behavior unacceptable," university spokesman Brian Bierley said, adding he "has been notified that his employment has been terminated."
From what I saw, he tried to de-escalate the situation, woman threatened him verbally with bodily harm, he gets into van to drive away, woman runs up behind van and starts pounding on it.
Why get charged with a felony and fired for that? Clown world
Date: July 4th, 2020 10:54 PM Author: Maize crotch
Maoism is a beautiful thing like that. Yankeestan no longer has ANY claim to moral superiority over the socialist block countries. Enjoy your cultural revolution.