Second, if Biden wins, within 10 years. The wholescale attempts to disenfranchise the right (court pack, electoral college change, DC & Puerto Rico statehood, gun grab) will leave most with little choice but submission or violence, and a significant number will choose violence.

If Trump wins, I anticipate it being forestalled awhile, though not permanently.

If it is tied or contested, there will absolutely be leftist rioting in the streets, police will be neutered, and that's the best chance for violence to start.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41203278)

I also think people vastly overestimate the institutional power needed for conflict -- proud boys + guns is all it takes

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41203671)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41203680)

Civil wars are about fighting for control of state violence. This power is not in the least bit contested in the US

Libs will just steamroll all institutions and pick off lone Kenosha Kyles along the way

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41204004)

When the patriots were scheming in Boston, Philly and New York, did the Royal Governor have the ability to instantly access all communications among the conspirators going back decades? And the ability to instantly strip them of all money? And the ability to instantly cut them all from all communication?

There is too great a gulf between governmental ability to organize, communicate and supply, and government vs. civilian warmaking technology and normal people ability to do the same for this to ever happen now.

Go ask President Maduro (support for him leaving reached 85%, and the shooting lasted about 10 days).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207626)

I also think you consider the military/national security apparatus to be a monolith; they're not. There would be substantial defection to an insurgency, especially under the government that would provoke these circumstances.

I agree that things are very different now, but I don't think that the increased technological capabilities change the nature of warfare and counterinsurgency as fundamentally as you seem to believe -- even if JSOC task forces were cut loose on U.S. soil the way they were in Iraq in 04-08, they still have to find and fix, even if the finish is the easy part. What's more, there are plenty of ex-SOF guys that would quickly jump on the insurgency side of things.

The might of the U.S. military and intelligence apparatus is tremendous, but the Taliban in Afghanistan were impossible for us to wipe out and they had around 10,000 men, only 2,000-3,000 of which were full-time professionals. If 1% of Trump voters would be moved to violence, that's 620,000 people. That's a counterinsurgency nightmare, even in a land and culture you already know and can freely move troops through. There comes a point at which numbers of angry men matter more than the technological disparity. I think we're going to reach that point in the next 10 years if Dems solidify power. There will be a significant number of people who believe their political voice has been fully stripped from them and their way of life is being destroyed -- and they have guns.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207832)

In the 1950s and 60s, the USSR spent a huge amount of money creating the left that exists today. It is easily forseeable that China, Russia, Iran, and others will fund the right in the same way.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208024)

The only hypo I could imagine would be a charismatic military leader who rises through the ranks, becomes something of a pundit while still in the service, and rides the wave of some extremely unpopular govt action to rally the military behind him, disobeying the president and Congress.

Then you’d have an actual threat.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41204052)

workplace

white-led corporations brown from the bottom up and top down. Majority of the new hire grunts are brown, and corp boards start to be populated with AA brown picks. White middle management gets squeezed from both sides.

politics

AOC wannabes knock off all remaining white male dems in blue districts. Hispanics start to fill up white gop states and arent taking over politician spots yet, but will creep in that direction

families

mixed white-hispanic families increase rapidly and their offspring continue to form families with whites

Whites arent sent off "to oblivion", they just mix and mix and mix and

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41206594)

Civil wars aren't about 2 sets of people rootin tootin mad at each other. They're about 2 sets of elites vying for the reigns of the state and "legitimate" use of violence.

There is no elite throwing his hat in with the Proud Boys and militia types. Nor should they be. Look at the GOP. They're all fat, old and rich white boys with too much to lose. The governor of a red state isn't going to let their cities be ruled by a "rebel" in fact or name. That would last even less time than the Pacific Northwest LARPing. Guard would be called in. Real military if that didn't work.

Before the actual civil war there were fist fights in the Senate cloakroom and on the house floor. Senators and governors in the south commissioned their family and friends to lead the armies in case things went south. Elites were willing to fight and die for the cause. Not even close to the case now.

What you could see, and I think this is still far fetched, is vigilante skirmishes between militia types and antifa and black militant types. A 20 v 20 Kyle rittenhouse shitshow. You'd need a catalyst to even get there. Tough to even say what that might be. Maybe if (1) Biden and Dems win Senate, don't pack the court, but a foaming at the mouth Maddow watcher who has been fed propoganda since birth and sees himself as a savior assassinates two sitting Justices or (2) Trump wins a very close election on the back of SCOTUS rulings? Something like that could bring cause people to get a few guns out.

The next real civil war will occur only after the dollar collapses. The strong dollar and its reserve status keeps everyone too fat and happy now. When that goes away, when scarcity appears, whether in 3 years or 300, it will be ugly.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41206709)

In fact, it's happening now, albeit in small numbers.

I do think that a lot of the tension goes away post-COVID.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41206756)

There is nothing that resembles an organization on the right while the left is, basically, fully mobile.

That's great that right wing voters with good jobs and an AR-15 think they are tough, but when you even as much as waive one at a violent mob, you're getting arrested and your career is over (while nothing happens to the mob).

Anyone who thinks that a civil war is possible without some sort of organization and legal power is kidding themselves.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41206765)

guys, we can't have a civil war because, like, Twitter ELITES won't allow it!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207083)

It's so effective, and such a complete lie.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207164)

Simply: you and people like you have low social status!!! Which is usually enough to send people cowering in fear and submission.

If the terms racist or white supremacist ever meant something in good faith, they certainly don’t anymore:

In 2020 AD they simply mean “anyone deemed a threat to liberal/Marxist/globalist political and cultural influence.”

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208097)

I used to think this way too. One day the racist card will lose its power, and people will finally push back against lib BS without fear of consequence.

Then I noticed how “white supremacist” basically replaced “racist” and all the fear was immediately brought back.

I realized that there will ALWAYS be a new buzzword to replace the old one. The game will never change. That’s because the game is rigged. As long as you have most of the mainstream media + entertainment + enough politicians all driving home the same message to push lib BS, such as saying so and so is racist/white supremacist/bigoted/hateful/inciting violence, people WILL ALWAYS react the same way and eventually cave

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41210711)

Without their cell phones (to the extent elites leave them on, it's only so the drones know where to go), any access to money or supply lines, any levers of strength or power within the government (maybe a few rural sheriffs?), any ability to communicate and no organization or means to organize?

Blue and red politicians, corporations, tech, and almost all normal people (none of whom care about politics like a twitter blue hair or a xoxo mouthbreather) would be against them? As would police and military (who have tech and weaponry even the most paranoid prep LARPers don't and they have it in numbers).

These civil warriors are going to what? Take to the highlands? Live off the land? Any that tried would be a governor or president's good graces away from drone incineration.

You're thinking about Elite as blue checkmarks on twitter. Those are not actual elites. I mean the political, military, corporate, financial, LEO/judges and tech elites. The ones who would decide who get weapons, who can still communicate with each other, which areas get supplied with food, which people's credit cards no longer work, whose bank accounts are forfeit, whose phones and internet are disconnected. That's the upper-mid-level and above cogs in the institutions. A right wing insurrection would have no such institutional support. The long march through the institutions is already complete. In reality, the institutions would band together against it. Which side do you think Ted Cruz throws down for?

You're living a fantasy.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207505)

this is the laughable apotheosis of the xo mindset -- of credentialism/'prestige'/US News College Ranking worship. lol @ how awed you are by the pseudo-'elite' and the illusion of its (eternally enduring) power.

THE MARCH THRU THE GRADUATE SCHOOLS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED! GAME OVER!

'institutional' authority is hanging by a thread. the lying (((media))), the soon-to-be 19-person sham supreme court, local police forces which stand by as cities/suburbs are razed, risible 'CRT'-propounding corporations, etc. we have become a Banana Republic whose state religion is persecuting White Peopeh. we are about 5 years away from ppl disregarding it all entirely.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41207967)

This is why democracy has to work and not get to where we are today. Generally, you tell losers in an election "chill out, this shit doesn't matter, the pendulum will swing back in 4-8 years." This year there's rioting, talk of gun confiscation, packing courts, banning "hate speech" (read: conservative speech), adding states, getting rid of the EC, etc. We already had a move to mail-in voting because of bullshit COVID BS. At some point the libs win but a bunch of conservatives don't feel it is legit OR that they can expect their turn again. So they resort to violence instead.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208101)

maybe you missed the 900,000 MSM stories invoking the term 'civil war' that ran this year.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208145)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/social_issues/40_of_gop_voters_think_civil_war_likely

https://www.newsweek.com/second-civil-war-likely-one-third-americans-think-so-999254

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208166)

you're in for a rude awakening, Hyram.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208698)

If you think that Trump voters aren't doing so because they consider the alternatives to threaten their way of life, you are too stupid to waste time responding to.

If you want to learn more about why you are wrong, read the following subthreads:

- Second Civil War has already started, people just don’t know it yet

- probability of shooting civil war starting?

- probability of shooting civil war starting?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208765)

But BOTH sides are huge pussies and nothing will happen. Let the outliers on both sides fight each other. I live among billy bobs and most of them are small dick fat pussies who don’t even have the willpower to eat right. Let alone die in combat.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208808)

Wake me up when antifa decides to start fires in red state suburbs with pervasive gun ownership and a hostile police force that’s more inclined to shoot them than protect them

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208154)

Totalitarianism is coming and our side will be crushed under a giant boot

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41208707)

Don’t follow the delusional shitheads on XO. There will be no civil war. Only very dark times ahead

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41210445)

Also, you don’t understand. The country is not going to burn to the ground. We will be entering 1984 style totalitarianism. There, the proles were immune from the Thought Police for the most part. They also were destitute. The people who had it worst were those in the Outer Party, which is where the protagonist was located and where most of this board will be.

You may be delusional and naive enough to think there’s even a chance that a winnable civil war occurs, but reality will show you I’m right soon enough

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41210653)

- Second Civil War has already started, people just don’t know it yet

- probability of shooting civil war starting?

- probability of shooting civil war starting?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4664186&forum_id=2#41210977)