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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:22 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency I'm a catholic mutt of a all sorts of bullshit heritage. Like everyone else, I want a second passport.
1.) Ireland. My dad's mum was born on the island before moving to NY in her teens (she had lived here on and off for years). I have the best claim here, BUT my grandparents fudged some papers and she has a US birth certificate and passport as a natural born citizen (she has an Irish birth certificate with her real birthday and a second birth certificate dated 8 months later with NYC as her birthplace). I could easily claim citizenship in Ireland here, but I'd have to purjure that I have no evidence to the contrary (the bullshit birth certificate they had drawn up in the 50s in NYC). Easy application at embassy, but I'd have to perjure myself.
2.) Hungary. I have a great grandfather from Budapest. I'm not granted citizenship under their laws, but I'm granted immediate "re-naturalization" even from abroad. The kick here is I need to speak Hungarian, which is not an Indo-European language (it's like Arabic, Finnish, Mandarin). Hard as fuck for a non-native to learn. I'm told that depending on the embassy officer testing you that day, it can be an actual test of fluency or some dude asking you "how are you" and "what color is the sky" and if you answer 2-3 questions you're good.
3.) Poland. I'd have to claim through a lawyer because my great grandmother was displaced by war to NYC. They tend to be sympathetic to these cases, but it would involve court + lawyer fees. I was quoted 5K by several reputable immigration firms.
4.) Italy. I have a great grandmother from Italy. Italy had a "citizenship passes through men only" law until 1948, and my great grandmother was born before 1948, so I would need to go to court to claim this. In Italian jurisprudence, the courts have decided that the pre-1948 sexism doesn't work under EU law, but their bureaucracy somehow doesn't recognize court decisions. So people with a perfect line of all male ancestors can claim citizenship in an embassy. I would need to go to court in Rome. I was quoted all-in $10K by two immigration firms, inclusive of pulling and apostilling all documents. |
Date: December 6th, 2020 10:24 PM Author: Internet-worthy hell wrinkle Poland for 5K sounds pretty good (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498210) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:36 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency My take is Ireland, but I was very close on my second two. I'd prefer not to pay for something I can do by mail.
I don't really care as to country. EU is EU. |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:25 PM Author: dead becky (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498216) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency Pretty sure that don't take the Catholics, friend. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498296) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:25 PM Author: Paralegal Marandi Poland seems fine and reasonable expense. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498219) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:27 PM Author: dead becky (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498225) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:26 PM Author: heady haunted graveyard hairy legs seems like you have the order about right or pick a couple of tracks at the same time and stop as soon as one of them comes through |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:27 PM Author: Silver Passionate Space Feces I know some Poles on a discord I'm on and they are always complaining about life there. Probably the same for Hungary. Beware of the "grass is greener" syndrome, especially in countries with a big negative brain drain like those. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41498229) |
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Date: December 6th, 2020 10:40 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency Not actually moving. It's a document to have in the back pocket.
If nothing else, it would let my kids work in the EU in 20 years. |
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Date: December 7th, 2020 9:47 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41503891) |
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Date: December 21st, 2020 10:31 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594029) |
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Date: December 21st, 2020 10:34 PM Author: Red motley library what did you do in the end? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594050) |
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Date: December 21st, 2020 10:36 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency Pursing Ireland. The problem is any of these takes 1-5 years, and Ireland may not be EU in 5 years, which is the whole point. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594057) |
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Date: December 21st, 2020 10:37 PM Author: Red motley library why would Ireland leave? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594073) |
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Date: December 21st, 2020 10:48 PM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency I think it's a realistic outcome. Irish press is considering it more and more a realistic outcome (if still a small minority view).
Troubles era resentments still existing in 2021 are overblown in media. They're felt, but they're only felt with the quickly-dying older generations. Part of this is there is no religion anymore, even in Ireland, among people under 45.
Younger generations have no real nationalistic fire.
Depending on how Brexit works out, I think there's at least a 25% chance it makes more sense for Ireland to tie its fortunes to the UK. This would have been unthinkable 20 year ago. An autonomous trade and open borders arrangement.
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Date: December 21st, 2020 11:06 PM Author: nyuug (XOXO's Original Trump Voter 2016+2020) ACTUAL dual citizen here. the passport is the GOLD STANDARD, bro. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594338) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:12 AM Author: Know-it-all Salmon Psychic Cuckoldry Definitely get Ireland. Some of my cousins have Irish passports and one of them moved to Ireland in August. Ironically, even though I have more Irish heritage than Italian, I’m pretty sure I can only get an Italian passport. According to my aunt, a lot of eligible Americans are getting Italian passports (I’m a genealogy nut who’s paid lots of money out of my own pocket researching my family tree over the years and my aunt was wondering if I was open to researching other people’s family trees— let me know if you need help with anything). |
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:22 AM Author: Red motley library how many generations back do Ireland and Italy go with giving away passports? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594805) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:32 AM Author: Know-it-all Salmon Psychic Cuckoldry Ireland requires that your grandparents are or were citizens of Ireland, I believe.
Italy’s guidelines are a bit more complex— there are different sets of requirements one can fulfill. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:18 AM Author: dashing jet-lagged pit xo Poland, of course
Ireland is going shitlib and importing all kinds of people
Hungary is very shady and under Russia’s sway
Poland is conservative, hard working, homogenous, and most likely to survive any major external turmoil without major upheaval, at least on a 20-30 yr timeline |
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:36 AM Author: avocado titillating ratface round eye lol @ ppl itt missing the point that it's just about EU citizenship and OP is just looking to pick the easiest route to EU citizenship and doesnt give a fuck to live in any of these shitholes
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Date: December 22nd, 2020 12:37 AM Author: nyuug (XOXO's Original Trump Voter 2016+2020) it's almost as if "white americans" are just mutts with no identity whatsoever. odd case. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41594880) |
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Date: December 25th, 2020 12:58 AM Author: sick snowy chapel national security agency (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4706347&forum_id=2#41613328) |