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Date: March 25th, 2022 10:36 AM Author: electric self-centered feces I love this country with all my heart, but we no longer deserve to win. We have abdicated our responsibility to our children, our countrymen, and the world at large, who we pretend to lead.
Very sad. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44214781) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 11:54 AM Author: claret ratface (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215306) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 11:53 AM Author: deep selfie electric furnace this is gaslighting right? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215296) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 11:55 AM Author: floppy high-end yarmulke point I'm guessing the same people who lived in fear of covid by listening to the Science also believe this (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215314) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 11:56 AM Author: demanding water buffalo Okay, so how long before defbros start using these in gender discrimination cases.
"My client did not discriminate against her for being a woman. He didn't know she was a woman. He doesn't know what a woman is. He's not a biologist." *blank stare* (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215322) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:06 PM Author: charismatic maroon church gaming laptop If even biologists can't give an answer, shouldn't she have said "even a biologist can't answer that" instead of "I'm not a biologist?"
If even biologists can't define a woman, the term no longer has meaning and her nomination is not an historical one. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215385) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:42 PM Author: Unholy famous landscape painting (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215658) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 8:39 PM Author: Pumonymous “If even biologists can't give an answer, shouldn't she have said "even a biologist can't answer that" instead of "I'm not a biologist?"”
The screenshot in the OP makes this same point (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44218551) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:11 PM Author: hairraiser jet-lagged stage The average reader of the McPaper has a 90 IQ so they have to really dumb down the propaganda (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215429) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:43 PM Author: Unholy famous landscape painting (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215662) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:38 PM Author: appetizing bawdyhouse Is there a logical fallacy for this? Naming generic "scientists" as some twisted gaslighting that all scientists agree with this statement rather than quoting the specific people who did, or even "2% of PhD-holding biologists say...". This sort of trick is absolutely disgusting and I only really noticed it with covid, but this is the most egregious yet
I can find you a scientist right now who would say this is a joke, suddenly USA today's statement is false (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215621) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:38 PM Author: citrine exciting nowag personal credit line Appealing to authority. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215625) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:39 PM Author: Bistre aromatic orchestra pit kitty a neat logical fallacy called "lying" (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215633) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 2:43 PM Author: claret ratface “I can find you a scientist right now who would say this is a joke,”
And he would be instantly deplatformed (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216385) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: March 25th, 2022 2:43 PM Author: richard clock “I can find you a scientist right now who would say this is a joke”
how do you know that's a real scientist? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216390) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 3:34 PM Author: Pumonymous i wouldn't. i'm not a scientologist. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216709) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:38 PM Author: Costumed meetinghouse mood Where is the rest of this “article”?
Do they actually name any of these “scientists”? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215624) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 12:42 PM Author: Big-titted jewess Scientists of Politics (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44215659) |
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0xCE955F7F2A24fB8A7c3cd6F115F65E016c785EC8 Date: March 25th, 2022 2:44 PM Author: richard clock if you fucking love science, you are a scientist (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216393) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 2:50 PM Author: claret ratface "I don't want to see this question punted to biology as if science can offer a simple, definitive answer," said Rebecca Jordan-Young, a scientist and gender studies scholar at Barnard College whose work explores the relationships between science and the social hierarchies of gender and sexuality. "The rest of her answer was more interesting and important. She said 'as a judge, what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and I decide.' In other words, she said context matters – which is true in both biology and society. I think that's a pretty good answer for a judge."
'There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman'
Blackburn tweeted after the exchange that "this is a simple question," and called Jackson's response "a major red flag."
But Jordan-Young said she sees Jackson's answer, particularly the second half, reflecting the necessity of nuance. While traditional notions of sex and gender suggest a simple binary – if you are born with a penis, you are male and identify as a man and if you are born with a vagina, you are female and identify as a woman – the reality, gender experts say, is more complex.
"There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman. There's not even a singular biological answer to the question of 'what is a female,'" Jordan-Young said.
There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, Jordan-Young said, and the different markers don’t always align.
Sarah Richardson, a Harvard scholar, historian and philosopher of biology who focuses on the sciences of sex and gender and their policy dimensions, said Jackson's answer accurately reflects legal practice. While U.S. law remains an unsettled arena for the conceptualization and definition of sex, it frequently grounds sex categorization in biological evidence and reasoning.
But like Jordan-Young, Richardson emphasized that biology does not offer a simple or singular answer to the question of what defines a woman.
"As is so often the case, science cannot settle what are really social questions," she said. "In any particular case of sex categorization, whether in law or in science, it is necessary to build a definition of sex particular to context."
The social science is settled (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216429) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 3:31 PM Author: Brass whorehouse pisswyrm the fawning deference to the quoted “experts” in these types of articles is incredible. who could possibly understand this issue better than a SCHOLAR of GENDER STUDIES at HARVARD (or wherever)?
“John Smith, President of the American Association of Coprophiliacs and the author of many books on the subject, says that eating shit is totally awesome!” (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216691) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 2:49 PM Author: cruel-hearted offensive death wish roast beef I give up. 2 + 2 = 5 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216420) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 3:25 PM Author: Swashbuckling haunted graveyard *cheers erupt from local synagogue* (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216647) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 3:34 PM Author: supple violet forum internal respiration eat the bugs, live in the pod, win the victory over yourself, etc etc (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216704) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: Pumonymous The Democratic Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44216713) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 5:26 PM Author: hairraiser jet-lagged stage The author responds to criticism by bragging about TTT status
Alia E. Dastagir @alia_e I majored in English, literature and rhetoric at Binghamton University. I have my masters in journalism from Syracuse University. Who decided that it’s OK to live in a world where the cost of voice is a barrage of hate?
https://twitter.com/alia_e/status/1507344052718641157?cxt=HHwWioC9icDblOspAAAA (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44217366) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 5:54 PM Author: Excitant den faggotry If you're woke, any form of disagreement is hate. It's that simple. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44217529) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 5:53 PM Author: metaphysics Is gay could you check the dna and/or phenotype? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44217524) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 6:39 PM Author: galvanic immigrant Maybe Google AI can tell by pictures. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44217830) |
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Date: March 25th, 2022 6:49 PM Author: Indigo dragon One of the biggest mysteries of life that has baffled scientists for generations. Can anyone truly know what a woman is? 🤷♂️ (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5067577&forum_id=2#44217881) |
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