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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:42 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe https://www.reddit.com/r/barexam/comments/w9s6ml/i_should_feel_relieved_but_i_just_feel_betrayed/
apparently the MEE had a couple rule against perpetuities questions, and all the test prep companies said don't bother learning it because it's never tested. they're all absolutely fuming and pledging to take down the NCBE once *they're* in charge. |
Date: July 28th, 2022 12:43 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter holy shit they put an essay question on rap? lmaooooooo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928765) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe they're strictly enforcing the "no talking about content" shit, but according to some posts that have been modded there were TWO INDEPENDENT RAP questions, i.e. not just 2 questions in 1 mee section, but 2 property mees involving rap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928787) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:51 PM Author: honey-headed pea-brained state gaping Lmfao good. Should make it harder imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928815) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:44 PM Author: Mind-boggling principal's office 180.
If I was in charge I’d make the bad exam 2-3X harder such that only 20-25% of people passed it. Would make this profession much more prestigious. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:46 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter tbf, nearly everyone would fail like a drowning swimmer at a rap question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928790) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:47 PM Author: maroon mood Wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928799) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:49 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter you just said the opposite below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928809) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:49 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe i'd support making the bar 3x harder as there are a ton of dumb ass lawyers out there are there are too many lawyers already.
however, i wish they'd stop testing arcane common law that doesn't even exist in many states and is rarely an issue even where it exists. instead of the flame ube each state should just go back to testing *it's* law.
law school and the bar is 90% memorizing ancient laws that don't exist anymore and applying them. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:51 PM Author: Mind-boggling principal's office The more ancient, arcane and pointless the material tested the better. Humiliation is part of my goal. Only the most committed to true genuine scholarship get the privilege of a law license. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928818) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:54 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe practicalcels be seething over scholarmos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928829) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:56 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter i went to check and according to ncbe, the lowest pass rate for 2/22 was 35% and highest was 72% and most of what i saw were in the 50s.
i don't know that you can make it much harder without making it unfair.
the shitty lawyer problem is really about apprenticeship, mentoring and the deluge of shit law schools. i don't think the bar fixes that. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:03 PM Author: Bonkers garrison yeah can't be making niggas pay $250k for law school only to fail 3 out of 4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928869) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:11 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe yeah perhaps if they just decertified like 1/2 the law schools.
many TTTTs are a complete scam with less than 50% of their students never practicing law. it's unconscionable that they are allowed to saddle retarded poli-sci grads with 200k in debt for a coinflip on whether they'll ever land an insurance defense gig starting at 55k. |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:39 AM Author: Mahogany Contagious Theater Stage Persian Fuck dumbs and proles.
Check the Japanese numbers, hoss. That's what a first world legal guild looks like |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:51 PM Author: honey-headed pea-brained state gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928817) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:35 AM Author: big-titted area 1800000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44932775) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter for lurkers, i used barmax and supplemented with criticalpass cards. got a very high score while working full time at home with kids. you shouldnt fail this exam and im sure most of them didnt, but a rap essay is pretty bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928785) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:46 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe the essays are curved so an extraordinarily difficult essay section is actually good if you can spew enough bullshit to score some points without even knowing the rule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928795) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:48 PM Author: rusted magical potus den I torrented some bar prep stuff and also got a Google Drive from some Chinese international students that had a shitton of pirated bar shit. Didn’t spend a dime on that scam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928805) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:52 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe i bought used barbri off ebay and leansheets. passed easily in a very difficult state. sold the books on ebay for roughly what i paid.
ljl at spending thousands on barbri or watching their flame lectures (i tried a couple times and wanted to kill myself). if you can't just read an outline of the shit that you already learned as a 1l and pass the bar idk what to tell ya. the most helpful thing is taking a bunch of practice questions so you know where you're weak or what you have a misunderstanding about. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:02 PM Author: rusted magical potus den Yeah true, those test prep companies do their best to instill fear but it’s not that hard. That drive had lean sheets from someone who didn’t redact his name and I checked online and he passed so I figured it was legit lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928865) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:08 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe lmfao bold move to upload your leansheets to piratebay and not redact your name (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928889) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:51 PM Author: free-loading beady-eyed hospital When did you take the bar exam? The MBE was noticeably more difficult when I took it (2014) than all the available practice questions I did. I do think they’ve been trying to make it harder over the years to “beat” the test prep companies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928816) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:55 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter 2018.
i sat super late post LS because i was doing other shit.
i found the mbe hard af when i sat but when i got the results i had a high af score. so i feel like redditors may be molting their feathers about nothing.
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:18 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe ime the people that feel very confident about passing are more likely to fail than the people who are certain they will fail. the pessimistic ones recognize all the questions they had to guess on whereas some of the confident people are confidently incorrect.
i've known a couple very intelligent lawyers who failed the first time because they didn't take prep seriously. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:25 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter overconfidence leads to utilizing lower success test taking strategies. so one loses a lot of low hanging fruit which adds up. they think its a law test. the bar is a standardized test and yes you need content, but you really just need to know how to take the test itself. the bar exam, like most standardized exams, tests your abilty to take the bar exam and thats it. its not a law exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928966) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:39 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe exactly. i remember how many questions were specifically designed to trick you. one i remember in particular was a question about anti-commandeering doctrine and one answer being "the 10th amendment" and another being "because of the anti-commandeering doctrine based on the 9th amendment". the doctrine is based on the 10th amendment, so that's the correct answer. but most people are going to get it wrong because they see "anti-commandeering" and select it.
it's complete bullshit. i hate that so many standardized tests are designed this way. you have to learn the test, not the content. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 4:31 PM Author: Shimmering ceo faggot firefighter i remember reading/listening to a podcast about the science of creating standardized tests and how all the phds in the field were chinese dudes.
this was a long while back like over 10 years, but once you figure out they're all this way. you recognize that content, while important, is only some of the game. the real push is learning the techniques.
i know a guy who im sure has sat 3 times and has failed and currently ubers. i remember his posts were "but i know all the law, i don't understand how i keep failing." i reached out to explain this to him, but, i dunno man. some people really suck at taking tests. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 4:57 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe fuck that really blows for that guy.
I remember reading something similar about standardized test design when I was studying for the LSAT. The way they make manageable and statistically predictable questions that will work regardless of the applicant pool (e.g Feb takers performing worse than July takers) is via the experimental questioning to figure out which questions will have a high failure rate among high scoring testers. And the way they often achieve this is via tricky bullshit that will trick someone that knows the content into selecting the wrong answer on some bullshit. So it's essential that you learn the test in addition to the content. |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:42 AM Author: Mahogany Contagious Theater Stage Persian "some people really suck at taking tests"
they're called dumb people. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:46 PM Author: maroon mood I'm probably the only one who would be DELIGHTED by that question.
Probably because I'm the only WASP left
Little known crim law or con law questions are bullshit tho |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:48 PM Author: passionate orchestra pit 🤣😂 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928806) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:52 PM Author: Cerebral vermilion scourge upon the earth @NCBE 4m
While aware of the frustrations of this year's test takers it has always been our goal to promote equity and diversity. Questions about RAP, and hip hop culture in general, help forward these goals. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:15 PM Author: honey-headed pea-brained state gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928919) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 4:24 PM Author: silver razzle dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929813) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 12:35 PM Author: diverse cruise ship reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44933845) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 12:57 PM Author: Vigorous Striped Hyena Step-uncle's House I bet the test prep companies said something like, "it's only been tested x amount of times since x date, so just know this:" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928851) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:19 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe apparently they do now. they look at the past mee questions and rate the odds it'll be tested this section, and apparently they all said rap was never ever tested.
apparently these places did not consider that a long period of time where a topic is not tested may make it MORE likely for it to appear. |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:02 PM Author: Hideous juggernaut police squad I bet they don't do anything until after 21 years from some life now existing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928868) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:11 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928901) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:05 PM Author: Bonkers garrison i recently took a bar exam and adaptibar saved my ass, i pwned that MBE, was breezing through it and finished both sections 30 minutes early. that, PR (which is guaranteed to be an essay) and MPT should be your focus and you can pass any bar exam. the rest of my essays were a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928877) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:06 PM Author: flesh cowardly corner toaster lmao 180
took the bar in a non-UBE state and essays were on contracts, con law and crim (with some minor state rules mixed in). sup |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:16 PM Author: cobalt gaped incel nursing home lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44928922) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:48 PM Author: Razzmatazz boltzmann 3. “It’s curved so if everyone struggled most of you will still pass” Whether I pass or not is irrelevant. We paid considerable money to help us prepare and they failed. We paid them to help prioritize our study. They failed. The NCBE intentionally made most of that preparation a waste. I honestly think o could have done just as well just not doing a prep company and watching a few videos on YouTube. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929056) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 1:55 PM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe grrrr it's irrelevant whether i pass or not! the ncbe testing me on a subject that they explicitly include as a testable subject is bullshit because they knew that third party testing companies were telling us not to study this topic! the ncbe should conform to what third party prep companies tell us! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929095) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 2:00 PM Author: orchid stirring ladyboy legend I took a bar exam once where one of the essays was a worker comp question. I wish I could reread my answer to that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929119) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 2:40 PM Author: appetizing flushed coffee pot french chef all i remember was the new, ube was easy af; i forget what i scored, but it was high enough that i could have used the score to qualify in any ube state. that said, i'm not sure if they should dial the exam up in difficulty; what they should do is limit the number of people who go to law school in the first place. it's a waste to take 3+ years of people's money and time just to weed them out at the exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929302) |
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Date: July 28th, 2022 4:24 PM Author: silver razzle dingle berry i’m beginning to think one reason redditors are so POOR is because they are very DUMB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44929819) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:07 AM Author: razzle-dazzle lavender giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44932729) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 12:28 PM Author: navy school i got a 177.8 on the mbe. it's my highest and most useless standardized test score ever. had like 1100 sat lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5162798&forum_id=2#44933804) |