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Slate: It's time to show literal assholes on TV (not flame)

https://slate.com/culture/2022/12/white-lotus-finale-hbo-sex...
Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter
  12/11/22
Well, goddamn. Thread delivered.
concupiscible factory reset button
  12/11/22
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Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter
  12/12/22
So Mike White has once again shown us some penises in White ...
embarrassed to the bone indian lodge
  12/12/22
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racy balding property therapy
  12/12/22
Paging James Joyce
Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter
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mauve vigorous queen of the night pervert
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https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4311854&mc=85...
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  12/12/22
had this in my clipboard ready to paste here
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racy balding property therapy
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mewling mahogany preventive strike den
  12/12/22
(author who has never watched The Boys)
Puce abode stain
  12/12/22
"I want more. I want hole."
ivory shitlib
  12/12/22
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mewling mahogany preventive strike den
  12/12/22
the #1 goal of all seemingly "professional" women ...
Purple cerebral box office legend
  12/12/22
GTTR, jonathan e, Candy Ride, and other phony LARPing 'conse...
embarrassed to the bone indian lodge
  12/12/22
Sorry is this author affiliated w the show? It's like the &q...
Stimulating chocolate ticket booth
  12/12/22
Author is celebrating this show for how transgressive it is ...
embarrassed to the bone indian lodge
  12/12/22
They showed like 2 penises this season and one was blink and...
Stimulating chocolate ticket booth
  12/12/22
SUMMON: female agenda to display the anus tp
anal house sound barrier
  12/12/22
"What matters instead is the implication, and the trans...
Bossy gold gunner
  12/12/22
these people are sick they have a mind virus
Red nudist school cafeteria party of the first part
  12/12/22
They are children
Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter
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Who says you shouldn't do those things? Those intolerant Chr...
thriller self-absorbed crotch hospital
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Who are "these people"?
Yapping Floppy Parlor Jap
  12/12/22
(((they))) seem obsessed with destroying culture
disrespectful state
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kike subversion
cerise drunken brethren sex offender
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Magnify the ugly, obscure the beautiful, deny the difference...
Apoplectic contagious cumskin piazza
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RECOMMENDED FOR YOU I Called the Federal Judge Who Mocked...
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Apoplectic contagious cumskin piazza
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LMAO at Stern, he gets GAPED by chad Pryor and doubles down ...
Purple cerebral box office legend
  12/12/22
not sure if i were him that i'd repeat that zinger from a CO...
cream narrow-minded theater wrinkle
  12/12/22


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Date: December 11th, 2022 9:53 PM
Author: Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter

https://slate.com/culture/2022/12/white-lotus-finale-hbo-sex-scene-nudity.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45619084)



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Date: December 11th, 2022 10:02 PM
Author: concupiscible factory reset button

Well, goddamn. Thread delivered.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45619116)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:11 AM
Author: Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:43 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone indian lodge

So Mike White has once again shown us some penises in White Lotus. Am I supposed to be impressed? At this point, a penis is as common fodder for HBO as the family sitcom is for ABC. And for that, I am grateful. I enjoy it all! But the appeal is starting to fade, and the shine of seeing a phallus on my Samsung 55-inch television during prime streaming hours is losing its charm. I want more. I want hole.

Vulva, anus—either would be fine. It doesn’t even need to be a close-up. What matters instead is the implication, and the transgression that pushing our cultural boundaries on prestige TV can provide. White—who has won three Emmys for his incisive portrayal of class, race, and gender in White Lotus—is a writer we can trust to complete this task in a straightforward, yet subtle way. It’s a duty we ought to encourage him to fulfill.

Obscenity laws may well be holding him back from this. While there’s little in the way of formal rules and regulations prohibiting something like a labia from being shown outside of a medical or pornographic context, the Federal Communications Commission still cites Justice Potter Stewart’s 1964 line “I know it when I see it” as a guidepost for what distinguishes obscenity. So then, what makes flaccid penises a-OK while vagina—or butt—is nowhere to be found?

It’s a matter of personal interpretation, but it’s also probably because many viewers are simply incapable of seeing hole as anything other than pornographic. A flaccid penis is a symbol of a lack of horniness, while a vagina or anus can still be perceived as erotic whether it’s aroused or not. We’re missing something in the way we interpret orifices, something that perhaps a broader visual presence in media could provide.

Despite this genitalia-related discrepancy, women appear nude on screen far more often than men. The roster of female celebrities on international nudity-in-film-and-TV catalog Mr. Skin is nearly three times the size of male celebrities on its sister site, Mr. Man. But when you narrow this down to genitalia specifically, a new dichotomy emerges. Though “bush” and “full frontal” still outnumber dicks, the former represents vulva in an obscured form. Per Mr. Skin’s keyword searches, there are only 287 clips from film and television featuring labia and 173 featuring “vagina,” most of which come from niche erotic art films like Nymphomaniac or pornographic flicks that have been canonized as culturally significant like Debbie Does Dallas. Meanwhile, on Mr. Man, there are 4,386 clips featuring penis. There are no instances of anus, regardless of gender, that are not from pornography.

Isn’t it time to change the story? If any network were going to do it, it would be HBO, home to the most dick-shots of any show in history. In fact, it would even seem appropriate for hole to appear on a show like Euphoria, where it would quickly become absorbed by the broader stunt and spectacle of the series itself. On a show like White Lotus, however, hole would retain the power to mean something on its own. In the first season, Steve Zahn’s penis wasn’t just there for the fun of showing a penis, but was instead integral to our understanding of his character and his anxieties. It was a symbol not just of his masculinity, but the fragility of his sense of self as he aged as both a father and a husband. It served nothing in the way of sex appeal. Couldn’t hole, in whatever form, offer just as rich a symbolic narrative?

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How exactly a vulva or butthole would accomplish this without getting flagged as obscene is a challenge I trust a writer like White could handle. White has already proved himself adept at handling sex scenes in ways that highlight the inherently bizarre nature of intimacy. The infamous ass-eating scene of White Lotus’ first season is a perfect example, but imagine how much more striking and human it would be had we caught just the slightest glimpse of the ass itself. (Not to mention more inclusive of the many types of sex people have).

One solution could be prostheses, though they’re clearly a cop-out. Earlier this year, I lamented that the majority of penises we’ve seen in mainstream shows and movies have been prosthetic. Zahn’s dick-out scene made somewhat of a stir, despite being fake. In Season Two, we saw penis once more on Theo James who has since described the prosthetic used as looking like it were stolen “off a donkey on a field”—it was nine inches long and four inches wide. Sebastian Stan’s talking penis in Pam & Tommy was fake, as was Taylor Zakhar Perez’s in Minx. I don’t love this—it implies that average-looking, real penises are not appropriate for public consumption—but maybe there’s something there. Maybe we can start with prostheses, then work our way up to the real thing. We’ve got to start somewhere!

Will you also be waiting for actresses to show their actual labia instead of it being covered by fake pubic hair merkins, or no?

— David Polus (@DavidPolus) April 7, 2022

Merkin is a wig for your genitals. For modesty. I think a lot of them look ridiculous. European men from films I've seen usually just show their actual penis. American cinema is embracing full frontal male nudity but with prosthetics and CGI. It's ridiculous. Just don't show it

— ValleyWitch ☽ (@NINETIESWITCH) April 9, 2022

I imagine that even with the use of prosthetics, the task of showing hole is still quite the ask for any actor. But what is the role of the actor if not a vessel through which norms can be defied and dogmas can be questioned? White Lotus showing hole of any variety would set forth a shift in how we perceive the body in media. The only reason it remains obscene is because we haven’t yet been asked to look at it any other way. Mr. White, won’t you please raise us the question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620459)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:14 AM
Author: racy balding property therapy



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:19 AM
Author: Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter

Paging James Joyce

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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:50 AM
Author: mauve vigorous queen of the night pervert



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:20 AM
Author: mind-boggling mint mental disorder lettuce

https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4311854&mc=85&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620336)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:23 AM
Author: Apoplectic contagious cumskin piazza

had this in my clipboard ready to paste here

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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:28 AM
Author: racy balding property therapy



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:30 AM
Author: poppy cracking ratface nursing home



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:37 AM
Author: mewling mahogany preventive strike den



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:22 AM
Author: Puce abode stain

(author who has never watched The Boys)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620347)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:24 AM
Author: ivory shitlib

"I want more. I want hole."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620356)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:41 AM
Author: mewling mahogany preventive strike den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620443)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:25 AM
Author: Purple cerebral box office legend

the #1 goal of all seemingly "professional" women in 2022 is to have their buttholes displayed and admired

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620364)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:26 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone indian lodge

GTTR, jonathan e, Candy Ride, and other phony LARPing 'conservatives' on XO rave about this degenerate Jewish garbage show

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620371)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:52 AM
Author: Stimulating chocolate ticket booth

Sorry is this author affiliated w the show? It's like the "Give Elsa a girlfriend" campaign. Who gaf what these people are saying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620515)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:55 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone indian lodge

Author is celebrating this show for how transgressive it is in showing penises ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620530)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 11:02 AM
Author: Stimulating chocolate ticket booth

They showed like 2 penises this season and one was blink and you'll miss it. The distinctions she mentions are interesting (flaccid dick ok, but vulva not), but showing assholes would be a huge leap. I realize libs are trying to push the envelope further and further, but that raunchy gay "romcom" tanked when it tried to do so, so I think it's not ready for primetime yet. I doubt people are clamoring for it outside of a very remote fringe (though I realize those are the people who get the Blues Clues type shit on tv eventually).

I still think it's a cleverly written show, and the weekly speculations are fun. Doing something like the author says would make the story all about that and not the show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620557)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:42 AM
Author: anal house sound barrier

SUMMON: female agenda to display the anus tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620447)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:42 AM
Author: Bossy gold gunner

"What matters instead is the implication, and the transgression that pushing our cultural boundaries on prestige TV can provide."

Why are these people obsessed with doing things you shouldn't do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620453)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:44 AM
Author: Red nudist school cafeteria party of the first part

these people are sick they have a mind virus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620470)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:45 AM
Author: Domesticated Startling Forum Trump Supporter

They are children

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620471)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:46 AM
Author: thriller self-absorbed crotch hospital

Who says you shouldn't do those things? Those intolerant Christians!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620479)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:47 AM
Author: Yapping Floppy Parlor Jap

Who are "these people"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620483)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:49 AM
Author: disrespectful state

(((they))) seem obsessed with destroying culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620493)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:50 AM
Author: cerise drunken brethren sex offender

kike subversion

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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:50 AM
Author: Apoplectic contagious cumskin piazza

Magnify the ugly, obscure the beautiful, deny the difference between them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620506)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:51 AM
Author: Stimulating chocolate ticket booth

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Date: December 12th, 2022 10:53 AM
Author: Apoplectic contagious cumskin piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620522)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 11:00 AM
Author: Purple cerebral box office legend

LMAO at Stern, he gets GAPED by chad Pryor and doubles down by writing an article about it. Reminder that he got a job as slate's legal expert *before going to law school* based on the fact that his dad was a bigwig lib law professor

"[Judge Pryor] went on to lob comic insults at a number of left-leaning journalists, including Elie Mystal and my colleague Dahlia Lithwick, who have written about the inner workings of the Federalist Society—a bold and unusually personal retort to criticism. He also made fun of me. “No less an authority than Mark Joseph Stern,” Pryor said. And then, responding to knowing laughs from the audience, he added: “And really, is there any less an authority?” "

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620546)



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Date: December 12th, 2022 11:03 AM
Author: cream narrow-minded theater wrinkle

not sure if i were him that i'd repeat that zinger from a COA judge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5251353&forum_id=2#45620562)