Date: December 17th, 2006 4:01 PM Author: Bearded abode
this is one of the biggest justifications for AA. my question is: why don't blacks value education? seems like something blacks as well as everyone else should value.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:27 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ape
And that justifies, on a case-by-case basis, shortchanging an equally qualified, equally economically disadvantaged, non-minority student who values education? HORSESHIT.
AA = exploitation of white guilt, reverse racism, and a further hindrance to a colorblind society
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:37 PM Author: Bearded abode
no, but as the delinquent blacks see other blacks becoming successful through education, they'll start to value education more. this is pretty obvious. anyway, no one has really explained why blacks don't value education.
Why is this racial at all? Aren't there delinquent whites and Asians who also would choose education if they saw their peers succeeding? Why should anyone receive a benefit simply because of their race?
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
if you even knew about the opportunities available...most dont. besides the average black who is interested does not do well enough on the LSAT to even qualify - they are presumptively denied.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
I don't have the luxury of being principled, especially in the realm of public policy - where finnagling goes on here, and loopholes are created there, and the status quo gets maintained any fucking way. As long as I have opportunities to succeed, thats all I can ask for.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:54 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
yeah, especially when people will think you are an aa admit if you are t-14 or tier 4. If you are a tier 4 black, and had the help of aa - or so they think - you must really be a dumb ass. blacks really have no choice but to take it. as long as its available.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:04 PM Author: Mind-boggling Ape
No shit? I thought all black males rolled around in Hummers and Cadillac Escalades four women to each man, stuffing their mouths full of gold and diamonds, and flashing contorted hand gestures to five-cent rhymes about drive-by shootings and drug deals.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:28 PM Author: razzle kitchen wrinkle
Wow, you must not know a damn thing about blacks besides what you see on TV. Go ahead, keep making up hypotheses about a subject you know obviously nothing about. I'm out.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:31 PM Author: razzle kitchen wrinkle
There's no point. I'm telling you, I myself am black and from a middle class family. I went to college, my parents went to college, my siblings are in college, my cousins are in college. Most middle class black families I know are similar. Most ghetto poor black families I know are not.
It's a product of being poor, not being black. Anti-intellectualism is not a tenet of black culture. HTH.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:04 PM Author: bright cuck hell
that comment is idiotic. last time i checked the ceos of merrill lynch, american express, time warner, kraft, symantec, and a handful of other fortune 500's were black. also, check out black enterprise 100's. it's a listing of top black owned businesses (theres at least 2000 in there and they all have revenues well into the 7-8-9 figures ).
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:07 PM Author: Bearded abode
there are 12 million blacks in the us. the 12 "fortune 500" CEOs you mentioned + the "black 100" amounts to 120 blacks, or .00001th of the whole. thank you.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: bright cuck hell
"also, check out black enterprise 100's. it's a listing of top black owned businesses (theres at least 2000 in there and they all have revenues well into the 7-8-9 figures )."
please read carefully next time. also, youre assuming that the owner/ceo of those companies are the only ones making any big bucks. most black owned companies have primarily black executive management, so at each one of those companies im willing to bet there are at least 20 others who are very educated/making 6 figures+.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: Bearded abode
ok, add 2000 to the 120, and we still have ~ .000176 ths of the whole. thank you. obviously blacks can't do math but i'll never understand why they're always so angry. for example, only you and the other black on this thread are calling people "idiots" and "fucking idiot."
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: bright cuck hell
once again, you simply just added 2000. i said 2000 x 20 others per company on average (and those are only the ones making 100k+, there are many others that went to college, are doing pretty well, etc). now do the math. also, i graduated with a 3.8 in finance from a top 30 national ugrad. saying blacks cant do math is laughable given that i did much much better than 95% of my white counterparts. however, continue your hating some more.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: Bearded abode
excuse me for typing faster than you type. you're editing like a madman. please notify me when you've made the final edit to your post and i'll respond. that, or don't hit the reply button until you're absolutely sure that you've made your last correction to your post.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: bright cuck hell
i think you got dinged by your first and second choice schools and now youre just pissed cause you lost. btw, your comment about typing or whatever bullshit is a very weak comeback. once again, continue your hating and im sorry you ended up at a TTT.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:27 PM Author: bright cuck hell
btw...i am proud of you for being able to type faster than me. it will help you out a lot at your job as a secretary. remember, if you can increase your typing speed even more, you will probably receive a nice 1k bonus. once again, congrats.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: bright cuck hell
youre angry as a result of getting many dings to law school. i cant possibly be angry just because im 1. going to a t10 or maybe even a T5 law school 2. have parents who rank in the top 1% (or better) in terms of net worth 3. im a very good looking dude who is good with women. if anyone is angry it surely isnt me. your turn.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: greedy old irish cottage
Insulting someone's school when you have no idea where (or if) they attend school is about as absurdly idiotic as you can get. It is bascially an admission that you lost the argument and have to result to name-calling to try to save face.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: Bearded abode
he's right. you don't seem very smart - i'm just going to have to ignore you; you can keep yelling and screaming and pretending i attend a ttt all you want. thanks for your contributions to this thread.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:53 PM Author: Bearded abode
of course. anyway, you don't have to know rich blacks personally to realize that notorious big, snoop dogg and their entourages (and family members) don't value education.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:54 PM Author: beady-eyed space crotch
I'm talking about blacks raised either middle class or upper class. Not poors who became rich. If you are poor, getting much in your late teens/eary twenties won't change your values all that much.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: Bearded abode
yes, i know blacks who were raised in the middle class. there aren't too many of them (and you're a liar if you say you know "many" of them, because no one on earth knows "many" middle class or rich black families who were always middle class or rich).
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:50 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
I think blacks value education, but honestly, education is one of many things blacks worry about that other races don't have to worry about - at least as much. I think it is a case of blacks being spread too thin. We have other things going on, and other things to contend with.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:34 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
it has been studied. over and over.
whites should do better on a test that measures what they deem valuable. or are you arguing the criterion measured on the SAT is purely objective? the criterion is subjectively chosen, even if objectively measured.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:46 PM Author: demanding cerise step-uncle's house fat ankles Subject: 1111111111
"On the SAT, whites perform far, far better than blacks of the exact same income level.
In fact, wealthy blacks who have grown up with opportunity average lower SAT scores than whites who grow up in poverty. Perhaps blacks are inherently less intelligent? It's something to consider/study. "
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:38 PM Author: multi-colored multi-billionaire water buffalo
How many whites kids on this thread do you think have any exposure to "black culture"? I have my doubts that these kids could possibly arrive at a robust theory on black underachievement when they all combined know like 2.5 black people in all.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:42 PM Author: Bearded abode
nice ridiculous assumptions. this board has many black posters (notice all the black racist "masculine" threads lately), and there are actual blacks on this thread. lol self pwn3d
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:45 PM Author: exhilarant black doctorate
We value tolerance the way AMerican black culture values education--as an abstract concept it's great so long as it doesn't require any meaningful change.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:58 PM Author: Bearded abode
that's not true. blacks and hispanics as a whole reject racism just like any other race. it just so happens that, since they are minorities, most racism tends to be directed toward them. thus, almost by definition, rejecting racism means rejecting racism directed against their own race.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: exhilarant black doctorate
It's an interesting idea, that we should be tolerant and inclusive, but such tolerance is typically top-down. Try showing up with your golf pants to a southside poolhall and see how many people invite you to their table for a game of Moon.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:08 PM Author: bright cuck hell
ive never understood how being white in America is so great. most whites are still broke (last time i checked the median white net worth was $83k) so where is this great benefit? sure, the top 1% of whites have millions, but the rest....virtually nothing. benefits of being white please?
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:22 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
come on grady. there are tremendous benefits to being white in America. I would not trade my blackness for nothing. Nor my American citizenship. But I can see how being white affords an advantage to the average citizen. note: aa recipients are not the average citizen
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: vibrant lime point
One advantage is being able to live anywhere in this country and seeing an abundance of people that look like you. The social opportunities are endless for whites in this country.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: bright cuck hell
that's not a very good advantage, as i could go into philadelphia and see an abundance of black people at any given time. or detroit, or cleveland, or washington dc, or atlanta, etc. most whites dont wish to go into black areas, just as most blacks dont wish to go into all white areas. it's all relative. if blacks truly had a desire to associate with whites and be amongst them then i would completely agree with you.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:41 PM Author: vibrant lime point
Um, you're proving my point. Those are only a few places in this entire country where you can find an abundance of blacks. You couldn't go to North Dakota or Madison Wisconsin or Maine and see a sizeable black population.
My point is that whites have the luxury of moving anywhere in the country without having to think about whether theres enough whites there.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:45 PM Author: bright cuck hell
i understand, but what im saying is that most black have absolutely no desire to go to north dakota, wyoming, south dakota, etc. the black culture is one that enjoys urban life and its culture, not the outdoors and wilderness. if blacks enjoyed those kinds of things id agree that we are at a disadvantage. but given that blacks have no desire to go to any places like that, it really doesnt matter much. however, i understand what youre saying, just adding an aspect that puts a twist on things a bit.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:50 PM Author: vibrant lime point
See but the reason blacks don't desire to go to those places is because there aren't any blacks there. LOL. Some of us, including myself do enjoy the outdoors and some like the quiet life. Atlanta is not an urban mecca, it's very surburban and slow. Places like Macon, Augusta, Gainsville, Alabama, etc... have a sizeable black population and aren't what you describe. The reason they are popular amongst blacks is becuase theres an abundance of blacks living there. Your point is fallacious.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: bright cuck hell
hah i tried at least. however, you won and are correct.
Edit: but aside from that, what other benefits? of course you have the driving while black and that kind of stuff, but what "real" benefits other than seeing an abundance of your own kind?
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:49 PM Author: greedy old irish cottage
Possibly because in a culture where nobody has much education, it is seen as "selling out" to want to go to school or continue your education. You are not "keeping it real" and are ostracized, so the few who do value education suppress it in order to fit in.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:54 PM Author: greedy old irish cottage
I have read that people in this situation get jealous when they see their friends possibly getting out, so they do whatever it takes to discourage that.
Date: December 17th, 2006 4:59 PM Author: greedy old irish cottage
True to an extent, but whites dont have the "us against them" mentality that a lot of blacks do, where "them" refers to educated whites. SO if a white kid "sells out," it's not really seen as the same degree of betrayal.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:03 PM Author: Bearded abode
those are africans, not african americans. just because one thing is true in america among blacks doesn't mean it must be true in africa with africans. entirely different environments, peoples, governments, etc.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: exhilarant black doctorate Subject: Nice try though
Equatorial Guinea is the smallest country, in terms of population, in continental Africa (Seychelles and São Tomé and Príncipe are smaller). It is also the smallest United Nations member from continental Africa, and the smallest Spanish-speaking country in the world. The discovery of sizeable oil reserves changed the history of the country in recent years.
Despite a per capita GDP (PPP) of more than US$30,000 [9] (CIA Factbook $50,200[10]) which is as of 2006 the second highest in the world, after Luxembourg Equatorial Guinea ranks 121st out of 177 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index
A huge proportion of the £370 million revenue is confiscated by the president while most of the 500,000 subjects subsist on less than a dollar a day
Because blacks are racist. They hate anything white, they think education is white, therefore they hate education and anyone that pursues it. If they worried a little more about being successful than about "keepin' it real" or avoiding being "whitewashed" it would solve 99% of racial problems in this country.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:23 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
did I say you were? just letting you know blacks don't hate whites. it is a ridiculous assertion if ever heard one. I wont call you anything other than ignorant
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: Diverse bat-shit-crazy theatre
whites support it because of a lot of reasons: "white guilt," to appear sympathetic to the plight of blacks, political correctness, or a sincere belief that AA helps blacks more than it hurts anyone else and that, on the whole, AA benefits everyone. as far as asians go: i'm not exactly sure why you think anyone even cares what asians think. asians are in america what women are in muslim countries.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: Bearded abode
the world will soon be completely dominated by people with technical skills. it's in EVERYONE's best interest ---- not just blacks, asians or whites ---- to make sure that every american is adequately educated and prepared to compete.
What does this have to do with racial AA? You're arguing for increased the number of slots in higher and vocational education. AA is about how to assign limited slots in top schools.
This makes no sense. Yes, educate more blacks but at the expense of whites and Asians. We have a limited number of slots in higher education, especially as we get to better schools. If we didn't there wouldn't be an issue.
Take any individual slot - before a white or Asian person would have received it, now a black person does. Its zero sum. You took it away from one person in the country and gave it to another. Therefore, it does nothing to "educate the population of the US."
So if a black person doesn't get into a top school they won't go but a white or Asian will? That's absolutely false. If I didn't get into a top law school I would have chosen another profession or not bothered. There's also the fact that Cooley and the like are filled with blacks. So this doesn't make any sense.
In terms of schools at the bottom, if someone fails to get into a TTT, then they're screwed - white, Asian, black, native American, Hispanic, etc.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:00 PM Author: bright cuck hell
dumbass, you didnt even understand the purpose of that so eat shit and die. i wasnt trying to state his name fag boy. learn your place and stay there and next time wait until someone ask you before you put in your 2 cents. im done with you. goodbye.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:43 PM Author: motley autistic cuckoldry
because it's seen as something White. poor black people HATE successful white people. getting an education and getting a good job is seen as wanting to be white..
on some level they're right. in order for an ambitious poor black kid to earn an education and a good job he's going to have to change a LOT... the way he talks, the way he thinks, the way he lives... by the end of it, he has arguably accepted a large set of values and customs believed and practiced predominantly by successful whites (who do not even seem that well off despite incredible material wealth).
in a way it's a lose-lose situation, and slacking off in school and staying in the hood is much easier (if by some miracle it's not the only possibility), so that's usually happens.
Date: December 17th, 2006 5:53 PM Author: bright cuck hell
last time i checked, most whites werent very educated. it just seems like it because they are 65-70% of the population. generally asians>whites when it comes to success and education on a proportional basis.
I agree with this (I actually posted the census numbers before), but that's not really my point. The point is that all successful people have this in common, regardless of race.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:06 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
the culture of success is not universal. Following the path of Puffy or Russell Simmons, is as common as college in black communities. I see nothing wrong with it. There are plenty of very successful black entrepeneures that don't wear ties, speak proper english, or value anything "white america" values except perhaps wealth. Especially in majority black cities. I know very successful black men that just deal with black people and make damn good money with no education. smart hard working and articulate yes. but everybodies idea of articulate is not the same. nor being smart or hardworking.
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:11 PM Author: Diverse bat-shit-crazy theatre
the typical asian's idea of hard work basically means studying relentlessly until your muscles atrophy from lack of use. thus the brain gains strength while the body slowly withers away. this is why asian men are deathly ugly, and why asian women are skinny and assless.
There are also whites like Weird Al Yankovich and Asians like Jet Li. But they're the exception to the rule, and its a terrible idea to base a culture around those exceptions. Most successful people are lawyers, doctors, businessmen, engineers, scientists, and academics, all of which are required to be smart, articulate, and hard-working.
I can't believe you see nothing wrong with the current path of black America - its been a complete disaster. You're talking the poorest, least educated, most crime ridden, shortest living portion of population despite tons of handouts. Smart, hardworking, and articulate isn't subjective. Smart is IQ, hardworking is work ethic, articulate - look at top academics, writers, etc. As for inarticulate blacks with no education who make good money dealing only with other blacks, how? Doing what?
Date: December 17th, 2006 7:10 PM Author: wonderful flickering people who are hurt
contractors, real estate agents, consultants, small business owners, personal management, real estate brokers, advisors, blah blah and on and on
articulate can mean the ability to communicate with people who only know ebonics or improper english. being articulate might mean that you can communicate with the upper middle class as well as the lower class. smart has nothing to do with IQ see James Kim, and the numurous blacks that have never taken a standardized test but could hustle you into the ground with their business savvy. I do agree that hard work is universal. However, in corperate america hard work might mean swallowing your pride or eating crow or kissing ass, some blacks choose not to go that route, it does not mean they are not hardworking. Trust me, I know scores of successful blacks, personally that do not deal too much with white people, do not have "education", and are very intelligent to me, though I would never talk with them about a book I've read because they probably don't read much other than books that can help them make money, and they probably wouldnt "test" that well either, but I'm just speculating.
black america is not a complete disaster. black people have overcome alot and are still growing. Its only been forty years since black people were given the right to vote, be employed, and live in certain neigborhoods. cut some slack. not everyone can be a lucky wang
Date: December 17th, 2006 6:06 PM Author: fishy shaky corner
Whites succeeded in eradicating the appreciation among many blacks for education over he course of centuries by denying black slaves education and severely punishing any who sought to acquire it. They even murdered to ensure that blacks did not have the opportunities to educate themselves. Blacks adapted by shifting the focus to non-academic, vocational ways to uplift themselves. Many of these types of skills are now obsolete.
Even when blacks achieved education under difficult circumstances, whites worked through discrimination in schools and on the job to ensure that they would not enjoy the benefit that would accrue to educated blacks had they been white.
The futility of advancing and protecting themselves by getting an education is a lesson that was taught over the course of generations. Habits inculcated through force, fraud and habit do not disappear after a few decades with the passage of Civil Rights Acts.