Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:26 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
I think this is a good lesson to all of you who put personal information on this board. Cravath3L never did anything wrong, yet by virtue of him revealing his firm offer, and the existence of dumbasses like pauliewalnutz, he will now have to deal with some serious issues. Even if it's all flame, i guarantee he wishes he had never posted him firm.
No one has linked to a single even mildly racist post of his, and yet if one of the losers does in fact send info to cravath, he will have to answer to them about posting here in general and under their name, as MTG pointed out.
Most importantly, this debacle demonstrates the shitbag rules we call the "outing policy." Fact is, this event, even without a name or personal information being released, could prove to be a million times more detrimental to someones life than a bunch of faggy little babies knowing some hot girls real name. I'm disappointed in GTO for not applying the appropriate rules to this and other similar cases. I hate to admit that I believe that GTO is personally enjoying this event, and believes that it might even draw more attention to his site if this really becomes something (Cravath catches wind).
Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:45 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
Seriously, he was the second douchiest character in this incident for sure. Especially because he started acting like he had nothing to do with it as soon as real consequences became possible.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Mauve galvanic telephone
3L got what he fucking deserved, and anyone who feels bad for him should call the waaambulance.
-HTHF
EDIT: Moral of the story: If you're going to post anything that violates what would be considered a "social norm", then don't bring in elements of your real life into the equation.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:57 AM Author: Mauve galvanic telephone
If he was really that great a chap, what does he have to worry about? Although it's true that you can't point to a specific directly racist comment he's made, it's pretty evident by his posts that he harbors some opinions that some people will take serious issue with. If he's man enough to voice them, then he's man enough to face the consequences of people finding about his real identity. Although I'd prefer not to be outted, I haven't said anything that would seriously jeapordize my personal or professional life on this board...if he was fucktarded enough to do so, his fault.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:00 AM Author: Green bipolar chapel
this is right. i know you and TALC went out on your little orange county date together, but as this thread proves, TALC is a dishonest kike who can't be trusted.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:02 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
the whole point is that there could be real shitty consequences even if he was the board angel. Imagine if you got into NYU LS, and someone on this board emailed the dean that you were antisemitic. Even without proof, it could cause a serious problem. Worse still, Cravath is a business, and is very PC, so any indication of this kind of problem is not worth their trust of a new associate. It's like if they caught wind of him being potentially sexually perverse with a female coworker, but could not substantiate the claim. He'd still be fucked.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:12 AM Author: cracking foreskin tattoo
Look, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions. If someone did email Cravath (which I highly doubt actually happened), it's pretty clear that the responsible parties are primarily Columbia JD and Cravath3L -- Columbia JD for bringing this whole thing to xo, and Cravath3L for doing whatever it is he did to really piss off Columbia JD in real life to make him want to fuck him over on xo. If Cravath3L pissed off his real life friends to the point where one of them wants to screw him over, he has to take responsibility for whatever it is he did. If xo wasn't around I'm sure Columbia JD would have found some other way to try to screw him over.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:14 AM Author: Green bipolar chapel
this is so correct. people around here really need to grow up -- if you're man enough to say racist shit here, then be a man and own up to it. don't cry like a faggot to GTO. that's the moral of this story.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:16 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
ok, fair point. Except retards like "jesse" or pauliewalnutz and a bunch of other douches with no life would be happy to do something like this without any provocation. By virtue of me being jewish or Civ being black or whatever, they would screw any of us if they had the chance. That's my point. While this case is specific to Columbia tards, this policy should be instituted in general.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:21 AM Author: cracking foreskin tattoo
What benefit would this "policy" have? The only reason rachmiel wanted outted people's names removed was so the damage could be undone (not have the name show up in google, etc.).
I don't see how deleting these threads accomplishes anything positive. So the threads get deleted... if Cravath was emailed, well, deleting the threads isn't going to make those emails go away. And if Cravath wasn't emailed, then deleting/banning serves absolutely no purpose.
Plus, I'm not convinced that emailing firms about actual racists on here isn't a bad thing. Maybe this incident will make people think twice about posting that kind of shit on here.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:24 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
as you can see from this thread alone, the real racists have a field day, while innocents have to put up with BS. The banning is the main point, the deleting of threads I meant in a more general sense.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:32 AM Author: Brilliant hall
Since google already exists as a defacto search engine, why not implement a real one? Then people would be more proactive about being responsible for their posts.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 10:51 AM Author: crawly voyeur immigrant
This makes the highly questionable assumption that ColumbiaJD is actually a reasonable person or that Cravath3L even knows who ColumbiaJD is. If you want personal responsibility, the effective way to do it is to give Cravath3L all the information you have on ColumbiaJD's identity so they can sort this out themselves.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 11:00 AM Author: hairless crimson scourge upon the earth
what would be the point? you do realize tha columbiajd did not provide ANY information about the anonymoose, and did not report the guy. here is what happened. he bitched about anonymoose, linked him to another poster. some other poster provided the informaion about the guy, and a different poster yet claims to have emailed some firm. what exactly is there to sort out?
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:13 AM Author: Mauve galvanic telephone
"Imagine if you got into NYU LS, and someone on this board emailed the dean that you were antisemitic."
What if I'd never posted here before and someone who didn't like me at NYU decided that they'd e-mail some vague threads to my firm, attaching my name and claiming that I was the OP? Should I be worried about this? Without the OP actually posting their own name, these kinds of things are unprovable, and if confronted could be easily denied. I still say that if he really hadn't done anything wrong, then he wouldn't have any reason to worry about being outted. Above all else, this message board is a place for information about LS, firms, etc., and anyone caught posting here could simply cite that as their reason for posting.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:30 AM Author: bateful bull headed piazza
They could even go ahead and use your name. The point is that any firm that gives a shit would have to be pretty TTT, unless you were posting confidential information.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:17 AM Author: cracking foreskin tattoo
One of the things I'm really starting to dislike about this place is a certain subset of people trying to turn it into a nanny state. It's pretty clear from the original thread that this whole thing started because of some in real life problem between Columbia JD and Cravath3L. Cravath3L apparently did something to piss off someone who knew him in real life, and that someone decided to bring the dispute to xo, and then someone else claimed to contact Cravath about it (though I still don't think that actually happened). But even if that did happen, no rules were broken, and I'm not even sure what people would want xo to do here anyway (what possible benefit could there be in deleting these threads when there's been no outing or anything like that?).
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:21 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
All I'm saying is that if you put yourself in Cravath3L's shoes, you'd be pretty pissed too. Maybe even worried. You said that you hate when things actually screw people IRL at some point, and that's part of why we have the outing policy.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:27 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
right. And im sure you were worried about it for a while. Besides, there is a difference between something bad happening , and the possibility of something bad happening.
So what you're saying is that if in fact the emails were sent, and he does lose his offer, then you'll do something about it?
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:33 AM Author: Indecent Depressive
the point is that if you make an example out of people that pull this shit now. There is less chance of it happening again. especially because it's unlikely that there are any real consequences in this case. Same thing as the outing policy, it's a preventative measure.
And I don't like your attitude one bit. Check yoself b4 U wreck yoself.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:41 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle slippery digit ratio
You do realize that if someone emailed his firm (which obviously didn't happen), the only thing they would get was that a SA who may or may not be from CLS (which there is no short of SA's from) posts on a website about law school and admissions, and there is no evidence that this CLS3L person posted anything bad, right?
You people think people care about this petty, juvenile shit a lot more than they actually do.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 2:45 AM Author: bateful bull headed piazza
Right, again, they can't prove it's him and probably wouldn't give a shit anyway. The only time anything like this would concern them is if someone were posting material non-public information about a client or something, in which case they might still not be able to prove anything but would at least look into it.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 9:29 AM Author: rusted demanding really tough guy step-uncle's house
My take:
Some of Cravath3L's comments were pretty bad. They might be labled as standard fare for xoxo, but they are the kind of comments that if someone said in real life, people would be very offended. Cravath3L should have known that Cravath would not like it if he made such comments in connection with their firm name.
He has two potential defenses, neither of which are particularly compelling to me. First, he can argue that he was just a schtick. This may be true, but this doesn't change the fact that others might not understand that he was schtick and that this might not lessen the anger that Cravath would feel upon finding out that someone is linking their name with racist/homophobe statements. Second, he can argue that his statements are in line with the type of comments that others on this board make. I don't think this second defense is that compelling either.
Though I disapprove of Cravath3L's actions (and if I were Cravath, I would seriously question his judgment for doing something that would have such a high probability of affiliating the Cravath name with something racist), I also disapprove of the actions of ColumbiaJD and pauliewalnuts. They have set a dangerous precedent: Now, any time that someone here is offended by something that an outed person has said, the offended person might basically be able to seriously mess with the person's life.
I'm leaving this board. I'm leaving because I'm sick of the racism and sick of the fact that it's such a common occurrence that I'm used to it. I'm also leaving, obviously, because I've been outed for a long time. Though I haven't said anything racist, homophobic, sexist, etc., I apprantly have offended people (as well all probably have) and do not wish to be the subject of this kind of sanction.
GTO, I understand your reluctance to turn xoxo into some sort of nanny state. But you may have to come to grips with the fact that you might gain a lot of posters (and prevent others from leaving) by censoring out inappropriate comments. You are not the gov'n. You can censor people (as many other message boards do) without violating the First Amendment. Until you do, you can count me out. Peace.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 10:10 AM Author: Red philosopher-king codepig
I'm surpirsed anyone is offended by it. I haven't seen him say anything that I don't hear regularly in real life. Nothing egregious or worthy of this hooplah.
Date: January 30th, 2007 11:43 AM Author: Brilliant hall
Date: January 22nd, 2007 10:10 AM
Author: roflmuffin
I'm surpirsed anyone is offended by it. I haven't seen him say anything that I don't hear regularly in real life. Nothing egregious or worthy of this hooplah.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:35 PM Author: cracking foreskin tattoo
We've been working on a solution to the racist flame issue, but it's going to take a while to implement. If you want to leave that's your call, but this has been on our agenda for a while now.
Date: January 22nd, 2007 1:50 PM Author: cracking foreskin tattoo
If anything I'd say it's more likely that we move to lack of registration (or greatly abbreviated registration) than harder registration (once we implement our idea to cut down the racism).