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Why was Goldeneye popular on the N64 but not Perfect Dark?
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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:11 PM Author: irradiated bipolar partner Everyone played Goldeneye on the N64, which retroactively won the gen btw, but half these people don’t know about Perfect Dark. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49756200) |
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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic Losers and Scumbags couldn't afford the N64 Expansion Pack
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198275-perfect-dark/57132231 |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:36 PM Author: irradiated bipolar partner Majora's Mask and Donkey Kong 64 also required it and they were popular (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757675) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:48 PM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison Didn't it come with some game (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757717) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:45 AM Author: Gold gaming laptop hairy legs I think it came with that Rogue Squadron Game (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758956) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:10 AM Author: Razzle Address it didn't iirc but that game benefited a lot from it. it was playable without it but didn't look good. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758974) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:26 PM Author: Razzle Address https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/79549524 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757818) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:48 AM Author: impertinent shrine (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758958) |
Date: March 20th, 2026 9:56 AM Author: domesticated odious degenerate becky if you started jabbering about Perfect Dark and playing against the bots in multiplayer, you would self-out as a Loser playing by yourself. ask me how i know. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757073) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:33 PM Author: Razzle Address Little do these people know they’re playing partially against bots on COD when people drop imho. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757847) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:40 PM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison By the time perfect dark was out we had half life on pc plus dreamcast games and I remember smash bros being the better local multiplayer pick. I think people were tiring of 15 fps split screen controller fps gaming (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757692) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:23 PM Author: Heady avocado halford feces This is cr (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757804) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:36 AM Author: Razzle Address System Link was getting a lot bigger during this time. my buddy used to have games in his Bonus Room with multiple PS1s and multiple TVs. another buddy was doing LAN parties. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759006) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:50 PM Author: multi-colored legal warrant Perfect Dark was just Goldeneye without the cool Bond shit, no point in it.
I think there was a Playstation The World Is Not Enough game that some people naively thought we be good that fell on its face |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:30 PM Author: stimulating buck-toothed property (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758320) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:31 PM Author: MAGA's Prolapsed Anus (No Future) That game sucked so much (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758322) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:41 PM Author: massive passionate public bath TWINE was on N64 too and I have very fond memories of playing it on local multiplayer, I'm sure you're thinking of SPS nightfire (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758340) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:46 PM Author: MAGA's Prolapsed Anus (No Future) The PlayStation TWINE was a horrible single player only game
I’m very fond of Nightfire multiplayer although the single player campaign was meh |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM Author: massive passionate public bath Oh that's terrible, the campaign on N64 was enjoyable to me but I can see PlayStation controls and graphics messing that up. Of course the multiplayer was the main attraction too. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758351) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:11 AM Author: Razzle Address alien resurrection for PS1 was the premier console fps of that gen actually. nothing wrong with ps1 controls. dual analog, champ. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758976) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:05 PM Author: massive passionate public bath PS1 didn't start with dual analog which is why it lost the gen. N64 analog was a game changer. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759490) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM Author: Razzle Address 100,000,000k units shipped, champ (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759547) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:47 PM Author: massive passionate public bath Nobody cares about numbers, everyone remembers the cultural impact. PS1 had Z.E.R.O. everyone has fond memories of Mario kart, GoldenEye, and DK64 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759708) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:12 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic Final Fantasy 7 ... zero cultural impact. lmao (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759751) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:18 PM Author: massive passionate public bath You get one weird jrpg that only Nerds care about. Meanwhile don't of my best college memories revolve around beerio kart with hot sorority girls and my absolute boys. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759758) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:36 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic Bro, I kept my games. I can physically look at the libraries. There were 10 or less N64 games worth owning. Aboit 60-80 PS1 games worth owning. Don't even try to pump up a system so bad that the release of "Quest 64" was treated as an event because it had nothing else. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759786) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:24 PM Author: Razzle Address I mean the slate kind of got wiped clean in a way over the years. japanese games kind of caught a lot of flak during the Scum zeitgeist of the 360. then indies came. there are zoomers who have never played a japanese game, ever, if they're not into anime or something. The remake game which I bought with extreme millennial enthusiasm are selling about as well as Octopath Traveler or something. FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace is one of the many reasons PS1 lost the gen retroactively imho (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759771) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:38 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic "FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace"
The recent GOTY is a JRPG that imitates classic final fantasy games better than current final fantasy games do. Your move, Champ. |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:46 PM Author: massive passionate public bath "GOTY" as decided by GenX and elder millennial journos. Zoomers and Alpha have no concept of this. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759952) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:52 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic Over 5 million copies sold. 96% positive steam rating. I think it's overrated but it was a commercial and critical success. Your move, AAA. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759959) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Razzle Address When I last looked at metrics FF7R showed a high % completing it and getting trophies and shit. Zeitgeist games like COE33 or Baldirs Gate 3 no matter how good they are had far less impact on those 5 million than you’d expect (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760088) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:41 PM Author: Razzle Address Um expedition 33 didn’t get accolades for its gameplay, like at all. It’s revered for basically existing and being Indie and offering a reprieve. The budget, you ask? The price, you ask? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760084) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:56 PM Author: irradiated bipolar partner makes no sense, anime is more popular than ever but jrpgs like FF and Dragon Quest have fallen. Although those "gacha" games are popular now. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759970) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:45 PM Author: Razzle Address DQ never really caught on in the west. The NES game did well but they didn’t try to keep it going consistently.
FF got roasted by Scumfuck opiate addicted westerners. Get in a Time Machine. 2007-2014 before shit started getting gay and zoomery, Scumfuck westerners, FPSs, and open worlds were EVERYTHING. Young millennials never really got into JRPGs. It’s a genre for people born like 1980-1989. FF13’s release and shitty review scores were a “your move, Japan 😏” moment. |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:23 PM Author: Hyperventilating gaping corner NightFire was great, it just wasn't GoldenEye level of greatnest (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758431) |
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Date: August 19th, 2026 1:25 AM Author: Dashing base A lot of people were wiser by that point. The Tomorrow Never Dies game was the one that fooled a lot of people. It came out first and was even worse. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#50077441) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:18 PM Author: Razzle Address It had a short haired female protagonist. You’re supposed to pretend she doesn’t have short hair or something. She looks like Jamie Lynn Curtis.
It was an ambitious game in some ways but the actual campaign is nothing special.
Any and all good will for n64 died in a slow fade after OOT’s release. It was competitive with PS1 early on but then just fell way way behind in 99 kind of like Xbox on the current gen. |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:05 PM Author: Insecure church building place of business (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758265) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:39 PM Author: Aquamarine kitchen psychic Xbox was never in it this gen (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758335) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:25 PM Author: Hyperventilating gaping corner N64 was doomed the moment it decided to use cartridges when every other system was using CD's (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758434) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM Author: Razzle Address This is reductive af imho. The N64 is a cut-down Silicon Graphics pipeline where you author the graphics front end in microcode on the RSP, schedule your own DMA against high-bandwidth but finicky RDRAM, and feed a z-buffered, perspective-correct rasterizer that expects you not to starve it. the cartridge isn’t the story, it’s a deterministic, memory-mapped, low-latency bus that lets you page world data in kilobyte slices with predictable timing which is something optical drives of the era simply cannot do without hiding it behind loads. what separated outcomes was whether a studio could operate a software-defined pipeline under tight memory. the teams that could produced contiguous worlds and stable 3D with minimal I/O theatrics; the teams that couldn’t preferred CD systems that trade control for bulk content.
Without Cartridges, you strip out what made it distinct. the system was built around immediacy and cartridges enabled that. swap in a CD drive and now you’re dealing with delays, buffering, and load-hiding tricks, so instead of tightening the experience you just make it feel like a worse PlayStation with bigger assets. more storage doesn’t fix the core tradeoffs. A CD-N64 is still a hard target because the difficulty is architectural, not media. you’re still feeding a microcode-driven front end and explicitly scheduling DMA against RDRAM; now you’ve just introduced optical I/O latency on top, so you’re buffering around seeks while trying not to stall the RSP/RDP pipeline. compared to the PlayStation, which offers a simpler, more fixed path, you’re still writing closer to the metal and paying for mistakes in stalls. and for 2D it’s still a mismatch. there’s no rich sprite pipeline; everything is textured quads through the 3D path with tiny TMEM and tight RAM. ports like SOTN, xenogears, X-Men vs. Street Fighter, or Mega Man X4 still require reworking asset formats, streaming, and rendering. more disc space doesn’t remove that friction. and I say this as someone who has been critical of Nintendo in the past. |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:38 AM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison chatgpt (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759088) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM Author: Razzle Address it's all fucking true imho (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759546) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:46 PM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison Use your own words champ (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762735) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:25 PM Author: autistic tantric library twinkling uncleanness Goldeneye was social (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757812) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: Razzle Address (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758315) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:32 PM Author: flickering heaven Got into Time Splitters is that related? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758323) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:35 PM Author: Razzle Address Only Low Losers played timesplitters. You had Halo and CS to choose from. You made your bed. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758329) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:45 PM Author: stimulating buck-toothed property Which clique(s) gravitated toward Sim Cities versus Command and Conquers? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758344) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison Band kids (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758352) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:34 PM Author: Razzle Address Simcity is liberal arts/Losers. C&C /RTS are Nerds (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758454) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: flickering heaven I didn’t play some of those, mainly due to some prior stuff on this site called Heat.net (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758473) |
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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:42 PM Author: submissive stage jap (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758476) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:27 AM Author: Curious brindle senate Level design was a lot better in goldeneye. Perfect dark had some cool levels near the beginning but the second half maps were way way too large. It became tedious. Quick gun battles with tons of enemies in tight spaces are what made Goldeneye great and perfect dark sacrificed that for better graphics and larger spaces. That left less compute power for enemies on screen. Blood splatter was cool but aliens were boring enemies. Perfect dark’s extra features were cool (gun range, secondary weapon feature) but these are really minor elements compared to level design. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758942) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:28 AM Author: Razzle Address this is wrong. first of all you're right that the levels kind of sucked. but goldeneye had a couple of huge levels too with Severnaya. and if Streets were a perfect dark level where you drove an alien vehicle instead of a tank we'd probably be like "this sucks."
with that said, contemporaneously as an n64 kid, perfect dark was like "wow they have Voices, it's like PS1, Cartridges may have hope after all," plus high res graphics, black president so it was popular with Liberals like you. it was probably the most Liberal N64 game.
second whenever anyone discusses the goldeneye vs perfect dark question they're talking about the multiplayer. if you count all of the people who played goldeneye multiplayer for 25+ hours, a minority % actually owned and beat the game or spent any significant amount of time on single player. perfect dark had better multiplayer on paper but it was marginally better. there was no reason to switch. and the Scumbags who played goldeneye didn't want to play as a short haired Woman or an alien. |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM Author: Curious brindle senate The World is not Enough on n64 had Bond and all the characters from the movie and it sucked compared to goldeneye. Kind of silly to make this a lib vs con thing. Even the long levels in goldeneye were way smaller than perfect dark. Level design applies to multiplayer. Levels were too big in perfect dark. Better graphics also meant fewer enemies on screen which killed the fun gunfights in single player. The second half of perfect dark had levels that were 5x longer than goldeneye. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759032) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:15 AM Author: Razzle Address I just played the decompiled perfect dark port on PC this month. the level after Air Force One crashes is big. there are a few big levels but not as many as you're remembering. others are pretty small. there's one on board air force one that's small. there are levels indoors in corridors and basements. there's a submarine level. The Area 51 level is big but it's all corridors, you can't really get lost in it too badly. The late game levels with the aliens kind of suck. I mean they feel like some shit from a Quake or Turok game but not quite that shitty.
Anyway you're way overemphasizing the single player in any event. the single player was something you did in one shot like 5 hours by yourself. If you had fuck all to do and were alone you tried for the higher difficulties and cheats. But when people talk about 'goldeneye vs perfect dark' they are talking about the multiplayer. if you were a Loser with Loser Friends you put in like 25-100x more time into the multiplayer. thats what people are talking about. You were some sort of Liberal Only Child living in a Brownstone or a Tenement or something.
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:33 AM Author: INSANE 80S MUSIC LYRIC GUY Bond is cool, girl with a gun not so much. I loved the Hacienda level though. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759003) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:39 AM Author: Onyx center elastic band Seems not relevant now but Bond was very cool at the time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759008) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:16 AM Author: Razzle Address Daniel Craig might've Ruined Bond. He's Gen X. and 5`10``. really he seems like he might not even be 5`10```. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759053) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:53 PM Author: greedy national cuck I think the problems were:
(i) it came out 3 years later - which is a lot of time. if you played it in sophomore year of high school with your friends, everyone was in college when the sequel came out
(ii) it's not a direct sequel - so there's a bit of a learning curve. it's not like mario kart where you can just pick it up console to console and use your favorite character doing basically the same strategy
(iii) Halo comes out a year later and people just play that |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:32 PM Author: Pungent Stubborn House Juggernaut by the time perfect dark came out we were all playing counterstrike, team fortress classic, quake iii arena, etc. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759780) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:50 PM Author: Razzle Address People didn’t really play counter strike in early 2000. CS was still in beta when PD released. Before like 1.3 I feel like team fortress was more popular. This is literally impossible to verify.
But still pc fps existed and this was before people got used to buying the same game over and over again. You also had PS1 doing well, Dreamcast making n64 look shitty too. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:50 PM Author: Pungent Stubborn House Juggernaut my memory is that tfc was king for maybe 18-24 months and then counterstrike was more popular (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761408) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM Author: Carmine Excitant Garrison Cr. Tfc was the better game imo. CS was big with minorities for some reason (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762734) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:52 PM Author: ivory theater stage Didn't Perfect Dark have you play as a woman who didn't have huge, boxy tits? That's probably why the video game market back then, which was nothing but incense, didn't play it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760106) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 7:06 PM Author: Razzle Address LTM loved it bc it was extremely Liberal (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760134) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:54 PM Author: Ebony hospital She wears a cute frock in that one mission https://imgbb.com/JjZV1q9S (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761426) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2026 2:13 PM Author: Violent Boiling Water perfect dark was kind of ttt. there was so much hype about it everyone saying it was going to be the next goldeneye. I ended up getting it and it was some jank ass game you play 2 times and give up. I just didn't like it. It wasn't fun. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761449) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:43 PM Author: Razzle Address Also the difference between 1997 and 2000 was Huge. They used to actually make games back then so it was like the whole industry and State of Gaming had changed (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762723) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:40 PM Author: Very tactful cracking police squad anybody else play BZFlag (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762913) |
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Date: August 19th, 2026 12:40 AM Author: multi-colored legal warrant (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#50077338) |