Date: March 3rd, 2007 10:50 PM Author: Laughsome pocket flask
Everyone was happy, xoxodungeonmaster released xoxo cards, all was swell until things got all fucked up with mods and secret mods and thread deletions, and competition shut-down etc right?
Date: March 3rd, 2007 10:57 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
I'm still puzzled by the reaction. All we wanted to do was delegate my grunt work to other people so I could focus on more important things. No policies were going to change. If someone screwed up, whatever they did wrong could be reversed at the click of a button. There was absolutely no downside to this for anyone except spammers and outers, who would have their posts go away much faster than in the past. And yet people think it's the end of the world. I truly don't get it.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:03 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
That's kind of ironic, since if others handled mundane issues like thread categorization and deleting spam/outings I'd be hear a lot less. After all, that was the whole point.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 10:58 PM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
perhaps the fact that sugarywitch was going to implement your policies had something to do with it. If you wanted it to work, you should ahve picked good posters, like ME or XOXOdungeonmaster
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:05 PM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
Anyone could have deleted posts with sugarywitch's name in it. The fact that you picked posters who people disliked, and to an extent hated, and gave them authority really bothered people, and rightly so. You should have found mods that nobody would have a problem with, but were still knowledgable in the daily musings of XOXO to know what was going on. Modding your 3 xoxo friends was simply a poor "business" decision.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:12 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
It's *because* they're my friends that I know they'll enforce the rules and not create a nightmare for me and rachmiel by overstepping their authority and deleting things they shouldn't delete. They know how much work I already have to deal with and would not make things worse for me by doing stupid things.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:25 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
For the most part, he has done a good job. Yes, he made some very bad mistakes. Hence why the mod interface was completely overhauled, so that if those mistakes were made they could be completely undone at the click of a button. Once again, I don't see the big deal with giving this valued member of the community one more chance.
The fact of the matter is I don't trust you, and as many posts have indicated over the last few day those sentiments are felt by a number of people. Being here where my anonymity is supposed to be guaranteed and not trusting the person that is guaranteeing it isn't a good situation to be in. And if you're going to take things so personally, that gives me pause as to how you would act in a situation where you're supposed to be impartial in.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:31 PM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
1) NYCFan
2) You should have picked qualified people. If someone overstepped their bounds they can easily be tracked demodded. You should have picked non-controversial people to be mods, not people almost EVERY poster hates.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:40 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Almost every poster hates MindTheGap, chancemeeting, Joe Caltech, Rowan, Earl, Hazelrah, jane hoya? The fact remains that those people were the best qualified for the job -- I know them, they know me, and I know they wouldn't have made things difficult for me by making bad decisions.
I've already explained NYCFan. I don't know why people here keep insisting that I should have publicly humiliated one of the best posters on the college board, especially after the mod interface was changed to allow wrongfully deleted threads and posts to be recovered at the click of a button and to keep track of who made those deletions.
Once again, I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill and creating drama for the sake of drama.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:51 PM Author: Judgmental school cafeteria
God forbid someone exhibit a little objectivity and not come off as a self-important asshole troll. Way to go, GTO, you've correctly characterized my post as bashing school-related posts, and also for implying that MTG is the ONLY poster who discusses school-related topics.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:54 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Who cares if he promotes his school? I've been accused of the exact same thing. So has pretty much everyone else here who has posted what school they go to. The fact is it would have no impact on whether he deletes a thread or not.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:00 AM Author: Judgmental school cafeteria
"Who cares if he promotes his school?"
Me, and lots of others. You asked why I don't like him; that's your answer.
And anyway, he does much more than "promote"- he trolls constantly and in an exceedinly annoying manner. Please don't pretend to be blind to this- even he has conceded that he sounds like an asshole online.
"The fact is it would have no impact on whether he deletes a thread or not."
Probably true, but part of the animosity here is that people don't want unliked posters given power. Seems pretty reasonable, really- try putting yourself in our shoes. You're free to disagree, of course, but I think I'm accurately relaying the feelings of many.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
I was in your shoes. I was on PR along with everyone else. And I've seen how bad having an elite mod class can be from what happened early on with LSP.
I guess I don't understand why people just don't trust us to do what's right in these situations. What could we possibly get from turning this into another PR?
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:10 AM Author: federal abusive step-uncle's house hominid
"I guess I don't understand why people just don't trust us to do what's right in these situations. "
You secretly moded NYCFan after creating a board that escaped tyrant mods. You reinstated NYCFan to spite posters. You won't remove NYCFan when he's proven a poor mod because of your pride. You delete NYCFan's personal information in spite your own outing policy.
Yeah I'm sure people have no reason to distrust you two faggots.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:14 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
NYCFan was outed against his will, so his name gets removed, just like everyone else.
As I said earlier, the new mod interface was created to deal with NYCFan. There was no downside to keeping him on -- if he's kept on and he does a great job, then we have an effective moderator. If he starts to abuse his power again, then all the threads get restored and he gets the boot. In both cases, no harm is done by giving him another chance. I'm sorry that being loyal to people who have done a lot for this community upsets you so much.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:25 AM Author: federal abusive step-uncle's house hominid
If NYCFan had been moded publically, at the consent of the majority of posters, or had stayed demoded the first fucking time instead of remoded to spite posters, or was demoded the second time...then maybe people would trust the mods. You kept making one retarded mistake after another. At the moment, people have no reason to trust the mods because you appoint and defend mods who have proven to do wrong.
But explaining integrity to someone like you is completely futile. Enjoy law because it seem like a great fit for you.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:55 PM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
The point is, there are 1,000s of posters that would make good mods. But you went ahead and picked the biggest douchebags on the board. We don't know what mod powers entail. You might say it includes only A,B,C, but there is evidence to suggest there may be more. I don't want sugarywitch or Jane Hoya knowing my identity, after I start threads on their sexual practices. I don't want Rowan to know who I am after I make a threat saying how much I hate Rowan. In order for the mods to work, you should have picked trustworthy posters
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:59 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Why would I ever do something stupid like let them see IPs? Just think for a second -- the whole purpose behind this was to have me spend *less* time dealing with this board. Do you really think doing something stupid like letting peple see IPs (which I can't even do without jumping through many hoops) would further that purpose in any way? What would even be the point of coding soft deletes in the mod interface if the mod interface was going to include something irreversible like showing IPs?
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:11 AM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
i don't know how the mod interface works or how you get IPs. Most people don't. Most people are skeptical of what you tell us, because there is controversy over just how much information you have on us (BCB outing for instance). I'm not saying your decision to go to Mods is a bad idea, but you should have picked better people to do it. Furthermore, you need to just relax over this whole thing. I can understand being stressed out because of deans e-mailing you and threatening you. But does it really matter if "I lick assholes for fun" sends you e-mails calling you a faggot jewbag? It seems you've gotten so wrapped up in turning this site into something else, you've forgotten what the true purpose of the site is. Take a step back GTO, and just chill out
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: bespoke mint laser beams orchestra pit
I don't know who you should have picked. By opinion is, if I can name them, they definatly should NOT have been picked. Why? After spending 8 months calling sugarywitch a slut-bag whore, do you really think posters want to be in a position were sugarywitch has power over them? If you want mods, go to your fuckin IRL friends who don't post here, but you can still trust.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:47 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Getting fired from being a moderator a day after someone starts a thread demanding that you get fired is public humiliation. Hell, even if I had wanted to get rid of him, the public protests against him alone would have merited keeping him around for a few more weeks to save face for everyone involved.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:53 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
And measures were taken so that if he did inappropriately delete a thread the thread could be instantly recovered at the click of a button and we'd know that he was responsible for it.
If he kept deleting threads that shouldn't be deleted even after getting a stern talking to from me, then he would obviously have been demodded. But what harm could possibly come from giving him another chance? There was literally no downside -- if he does a great job, we have an effective moderator. If he does a bad job, all his damage can be immediately undone and we can get rid of him then. Insisting that he be removed despite the new mod interface served no purpose except to put me and rachmiel in a very awkward situation that could have resulted in no benefit to anyone.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:58 PM Author: aggressive garrison
That's not how it works. He acted multiple times in bad faith and never even apologized for it. Someone like that has no business being a moderator, whether you can undo his wrongdoings or not. You do want posters to be able to trust the moderators right?
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:09 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
But we have to trust our moderators too, and you're pretty much saying that the people we know and trust the most and who we know aren't going to screw around or overstep their bounds shouldn't be mods because they're not as popular as other posters. Can you understand why that would make me upset? You're basically saying I should give control over the site to people I know nothing about and in some cases may not even trust just because they're "popular."
And enough with NYCFan. It should already be crystal clear to everyone that I didn't approve of his actions and, one way or another, he was going to stop deleting inappropriate threads.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:14 AM Author: federal abusive step-uncle's house hominid
"And enough with NYCFan. It should already be crystal clear to everyone that I didn't approve of his actions"
You make this so clear by keeping him as a mod. And even in a petition thread with a 100+ post to remove NYCFan, you said nothing at all. Yes, so clear. Douche
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Not just me. rachmiel too.
Maybe we were wrong and missed something with him. Maybe we were right and everyone else was being unfair. Who knows. What I do know is that the attacks on him were counterproductive and made the whole situation a lot worse than it had to have been.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:28 AM Author: aggressive garrison
There's something pathologically wrong about a man in his 60's who troll's day and night for his alma mater on a college board to the point of deleting threads inappropriately. Why are you not seeing this?
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:30 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
We don't see what he does as trolling. We think he adds great school-related topic to the college board, which really needs more school-related content. So what that he's 60 years old? He knows what he's talking about. If you disagree with his views, go engage him in his threads.
At least a couple of us don't feel as if your picks could be trusted to be wholly impartial. Your history of mod selection should have alerted you to that already.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:03 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Well, traffic hasn't suffered due to this fiasco (in fact it was up by a lot on Thursday and Friday), and today seems to be just like every other Saturday this year. So that's not really the concern here at all. The concern is such a huge uproar and such hurtful personal attacks over something that really had no downside to it at all.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:08 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Well, both. I was attacked personally, and people also claimed I did things that I did not do. Considering everything else that has gone on this week, it was really the last thing I needed to deal with.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:09 PM Author: Laughsome pocket flask
Why are bad things always happening to you IRL? Everytime someone attacks you online you say 'its the last thing I need right now.' Are you being repeatedly raped or something?
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:20 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
I don't think you realize just how much I have to deal with IRL because of things people do on this board. Let's look at what happened just this week:
1) Several law school deans think I'm behind T14 Talent and begin to contact Penn's dean trying to get me suspended / screwed for character and fitness / threatening to contact my firm / etc., causing me to spend several hours explaining to everyone that it was not run by me but by some other guy.
2) Some girls from the T14 Talent contest hired ReputationDefender, who also contacted law school deans, media, etc. about the whole thing, and is now demanding that many threads referencing these people be deleted.
3) Speaking of the media, I'm told there's going to be a hit piece in a major newspaper sometime next week attacking both this site and me personally.
4) I discovered that a certain professor contacted faculty at a school where I had an LRev article accepted trying to... well, you can figure out the rest.
Given all that, can you understand why I might not have enjoyed being attacked by the board over something like this?
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:24 PM Author: Laughsome pocket flask
Uh why the hell would he do that? If the jerks attacking him succeed he'll still be able to live a decent life by running this place. Better than some TTT ID lawyer, that's for sure.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:05 PM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
Not sure why you're attributing that to me since it was all rachmiel. However I've seen the emails that were exchanged and you're greatly mischaracterizing what went on. Even BigChances has said no threats were made.
Late last night rachmiel contacted me, asking if I would work with this board to improve it. I agreed that I would.
I shut my site down at the risk of being outed. Rachmiel knows my name, which probably wasn't difficult to figure out if he is able to look at all the posts from my IP under various monikers.
At the creation of BCB, I vowed to shut it down if I were ever outed or risked being outed. That's what has happened here.
It'd be legitimate if there wasn't the veiled threat of an outing. Rachmiel made it obvious the fact that he knew who BCB was determined the outcome. They didn't just offer the guy a wad of cash, that'd be a legitimate business move.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:22 PM Author: comical ebony kitty
well to be fair, you dont know exactly what were the terms of the outcome.
If you know someones real identity contacting them might be a way of getting their attention. sure its some leverage, but do you honestly believe rach or GTO would post the name of BCB? That would really fuck them more than having the competition would.
They never had to post it. That's the point. Being able to threaten to post it means you'll never have to pull the trigger. It doesn't make it a legitimate tactic.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:27 PM Author: comical ebony kitty
yeah but they didnt even threaten to post it.
lets say I want to talk to you black keys. but you ignore me. by some legit reason I find your real name. so I email you and say "Hi Steve Smith, sorry to use you school account but I wanted to talk to you."
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:32 PM Author: comical ebony kitty
thanks, what do you think about it?
obviously I trust the admin here - and because I trust them I see things in a different light. I dont believe they would ever out someone for competition reasons, but I do see how some people see their behavior as incosistent.
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Carmine vivacious mexican
I actually preferred that environment. I don't think it'll have many long-term effects and the next year of LS students may feel more comfortable posting here as a result. Can you tell us what effect it's had on total traffic?
Date: March 3rd, 2007 11:01 PM Author: Carmine vivacious mexican
For like three weeks, sure. I'll miss DungeonmasTTTer, but 174 will be back under some other moniker. Another ishmael-esque schtick will establish itself.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: federal abusive step-uncle's house hominid
Just days before new mods were put in, GTO made a colossal error by not removing a mod who abused his power for the nth time. He is now on his 7th or 8th strike right now. And why wasn't he removed? Because he's a stubborn little shit who cannot admit to ever making an error.
Date: March 4th, 2007 12:12 AM Author: Bat shit crazy wild quadroon
The new mod interface was made in direct response to NYCFan. If he was going to overstep his bounds again, he would have been removed then, with all damage reversed. Maybe I'm stupid for being so loyal, but I just don't see the harm here. If he screws up again, the threads get restored and he's gone. If he doesn't screw up again, all is well. In both situations there is no downside to keeping him on.