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Date: August 5th, 2004 9:59 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I'm going to see which board is more sympathetic. I'm assuming that signing this petition assumes some sympathy. To the obvious assholes, don't sign the petition and say some disparaging remark. Reply if you signed it (I know some ppl will lie) http://www.petitiononline.com/janedoe/petition.html
Meaty Penis, how do you like being an asshole? Too bad you can't get any girls with your asshole personality.
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=29304 http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?ID=29198 http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?ID=29169 http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?ID=29138
She's an international taiwanese girl whom friends say is unfamiliar with American society and culture. I know this petition won't do anything, but it'll be interesting.
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:03 PM Author: ruddy curious travel guidebook genital piercing I'm a play this Vandross, you gonna take your pants off... (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126473) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:49 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman has your wife divorced you yet? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128029) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:03 PM Author: wonderful toaster Sounds like someone doesn't want to tell daddy they have sex with black guys. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126476) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:49 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Get a fucking life. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128032) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:05 PM Author: transparent big hell mexican Subject: Hi, Richard Tran http://www.oldenborg.pomona.edu/sections/chinese/dinner_03-04/Program/Skit15.JPG (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126485) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:06 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino what is this petition for? They're being charged, right? So is this just a "We really want them to be found guilty" petition? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126489) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:07 AM Author: apoplectic theatre that's what it looks like. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127099) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:49 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman It's a petition to retry the other two. Read, fucking moron. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128037) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:57 AM Author: apoplectic theatre no, i got it right the first time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128077) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 11:53 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129835) |
Date: August 5th, 2004 10:05 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig rapes are touchy. i'd have to see the facts of the case, and the results of the rape kit and related physical evidence, which isn't mentioned in any detail.
oftentimes in rapes and other sex crimes, there is a presumption of guilt. sympathy should not take precedence over objectivity. justice and an efficient legal system are the foundation of a just society.
these men may or may not be guilty. what's on that site doesn't sway me either way. i'd refuse to sign a petition without an informed opinion on the matter, having read only one side. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:55 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman "This petition supports and advocates safety living on UCLA campus, awareness of sexual assault/battery, and a fair retrial of this case (the jury split 6-6 on charges of forced rape/7-5 in favor of guilt for forced oral copulation for one defendant, and 11-1 in favor of not guilty of forced rape or oral copulation for the other two. All 12 jurors must be unanimous for an official acquittal/conviction since this is a criminal case.) "
They don't want to petition for a guilty verdict. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:57 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe "They don't want to petition for a guilty verdict"
Yes, actually they do. They already had a trial and it didnt come out the way they wanted. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:00 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Petitioning for a retrial and petitioning for a guilty verdict are two completely different and nearly mutually exclusive things. Petitioning for a retrail involves the beginning of a process. Petitioning for a guilting verdict involves dictating the end results of a process. Good luck on LSAT LR. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126659) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:07 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe Ok, genius, why don't you tell me exactly WHY they wanted to petition for a retrial?
Follow it through... |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:50 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Petitioning for a guilty verdict and the process to begin a verdict are two different things, dumbass. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128045) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:59 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig "safety living on UCLA campus"
that's the part that worries me. judicial sanctioning bodies often levy sanctions without adherence to any formal code. i think that's what this is implicitly endorsing.
a retrial isn't problematic, obviously. and they should retry the defendants as woould be consistent with that state's laws. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:36 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Subject: What one juror said. I'm trying to present a neutral side in presenting the opinions of one juror.
As I said before, it was (and still is) a highly emotional issue. Re explaining the decision, I really do not want to speak for the jury as a whole. That would be unfair. But I will give you some central facts that may help you to better understand the situation. One of the primary issues concerned whether the 3 defendants had knowledge that what took place happened against the will of Jane Doe. First, let me be clear that she had absolutely no duty to resist, say "no," or anything of the sort. This is the law. Consent, however, is a legal defense to rape. Many jurors, especially with respect to Defendants Dawson & Anthony, felt there was reasonable doubt as to whether the defendants knew that what happened took place against Jane Doe's will. Although it may seem anomalous on it's face, several of the jurors believed that Jane Doe was actually raped by Dawson & Anthony. But those jurors did there best to follow the law (I think correctly) and voted for acquittal based on this very reason. Jane Doe testified that there were no weapons, threats, etc. by any of the defendants. Yet, beyond saying "no" to Defendant Stringer's initial verbal overtures (when Dawson and Anthony were not even present in the room), she testified that she never gave any of them any verbal or physical indication that she was an unwilling participant. Perhaps she was too scared to do so, but was there reasonable doubt? She sat in her room and conversed with the various defendants both before and after the incidents occurred. She gave her phone # to Defendant Stringer AFTER he allegedly raped her. She was able to say "no" when asked for food, etc, but not when it came to the sexual acts. She initially testified that she had lifted her hips to facilitate Defendant Anthony's pulling her pants off. She performed oral sex on all 3 defendants. With respect to both Jane Doe and the defendants, there was changed testimony between preliminary hearing and the trial. There were also a number of "strange" actions by Jane Doe later that day, although many could obviously be attributed to being in a state of shock/denial. The bottom line is there was reasonable doubt as to what occurred. I truly understand that it's shocking to most people that a young lady would have consensual sex with 3 strangers within minutes of meeting them. Or that a woman would put herself through the pain and stigma that comes from reporting a rape unless a rape actually occurred. Nevertheless, we as jurors were bound to follow the law and determine the case based on the evidence presented to us, not on conjecture or supposition. I hope that helps somewhat. I know I'm still struggling with it, but we did the best we could with the facts given to us. I think we can walk away with some pride in our efforts, if nothing else.
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:39 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Shame on you.
Do you think signing a biased petition will help justice be served? |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:40 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe I'm not sure you grasp that post (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126588) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:42 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal It was unreadable. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126600) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:42 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Shame on you.
Do you think conforming to the moral fabric of our society (ie. like the Germans did for Hitler and Rwandans did in their mass genocides and rape) serves justice? Do you think ignoring an entire case altogether on your own pathetic experiences serves justice? |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:43 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe Before I confuse myself, are you claiming that what the juror said SUPPORTS a conviction - or that the crime occurred? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126607) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:01 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman presenting a neutral opinion. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126661) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:45 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Why not allow the jury to make a ruling? I don't make decisions based on biased petitions.
Nice job, comparing me to the Nazis (talk about cliche). I believe in giving defendants a fair trial. Clearly justice means nothing to you or to the author of the petition.
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:53 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Juries are full of idiots. You know that as well as I do. I you still cannot believe that, then you are a pathetic moron that needs to burst your own bubble. I grew up with future gang members that I knew were guilty but got off anyhow. You are a pathetic and naive bleeding heart liberal. People like you who defend the sanctity of the legal system over the safety of the public are idiotic.
Don't you see the fucking articles that I posted in the beginning of the posts? Read them. I posted the juror's opinions to make it as neutral as possible.
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:54 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe answer my question above (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126640) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:58 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman presenting a neutral position. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126656) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:57 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal "You are a pathetic and naive bleeding heart liberal. "
Because I believe in a fair legal process, I muist be a naive liberal?
I think it's possible those kids are guilty, but I can't judge them and sign a petition without knowing the facts.
I don't believe people should be railroaded.
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:52 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I believe in a fair legal process too, but a fancy defense attorney shouldn't be able to get people off the hook. The fair legal system you so passionately defends allows criminals to get off the hook all the time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128050) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:39 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe the reason the world has lawers.
EDIT: THat post shows that maybe it wasn't the "crime" she claims it was |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:53 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Lawyers has historically been regarded unfavorably in society. A Mexican curse even says, "May you life be filled with lawyers" in Spanish. The world has lawyers, because assholes like you with a bunch of money can get off when you murdered someone. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128060) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:42 PM Author: wonderful toaster ugh what a dirty whore (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126599) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:51 PM Author: comical light house Sounds to me like these guys are guilty as hell, but as an almost-lawyer, I think it would border on the unethical for me to sign a petition saying, in essence, "lock up some guys who were acquitted of rape, because I think they probably did it."
EDIT: Just re-read the petition. I think it would be flat-out unethical to sign it; it's probably libelous. On the other hand, they do sound really guilty. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:53 PM Author: wonderful toaster Would you put your dick in the mouth of a girl you were raping? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126638) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 11:56 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I'm glad that you now have the logic of a rapist. According to crime and psychology institutes, about 30% of men admit that they would rape if they could get away with it. I guess you're one of the 30%. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129867) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:53 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe You think they are guilty as hell even after reading the juror's account of the case? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126639) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:54 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman He obviously has some logic, unlike your pathetic ass. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128065) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:54 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig we are really only getting one side.
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hung jury, no need for appeal. just retry. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:58 PM Author: comical light house I don't know which website you're referring to, but prosecutors can't appeal an adverse verdict just because defendants perjured themselves. That's called double jeopardy. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126654) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:14 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig the "sign the petition website" says they had a hung jury, they weren't acquitted.
so they can retry them
and yeah, obviously then you wouldn't need an appeal, so you're right on that one.. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:20 PM Author: comical light house Right, yeah, you can retry after a hung jury. But you can't appeal a *verdict* because the defendant committed perjury, which is what I thought you were suggesting. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126769) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:26 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig i'm an idiot, i phrased it wrong. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126803) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:56 PM Author: comical light house Okay, on reading that long juror's account, I think it's a closer question than I thought as to whether they're guilty. Either way, I'm not signing the petition. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126647) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:58 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe Exactly. That is why the OP is an idiot to make judgements based on biased accounts and think that his opinion is superior to those who heard the facts and details of the case first-hand. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126653) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:03 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig yep pretty much.
we're getting one side. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:12 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nice logic there. I guess that we must all be wrong when we say that Germany shouldn't have committed genocide (although the Germans are the ones "who heard the facts and details of the case first-hand" as to commit genocide) and basically any other war and genocide that took place. Must we assume that everybody who has an account first-hand is more right than we are. I guess about half the nation must be wrong when they question the President for going into war, although the President "heard the facts and details about the case first-hand" as to waging war. Keep losing LSAT LR points. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126721) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:23 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe Couple of things.
1. Your second sentence is incoherent
2. Questions are punctuated with question marks
3. I am a 2L, so your poor attempt at wit using the LSAT is just idiotic.
Actually, you are correct. You, by reading a few biased websites, have more knowledge about the case and the credibility of the witnesses than those who actually sat through the trial. What was I thinking? |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:19 AM Author: apoplectic theatre "I am a 2L, so your poor attempt at wit using the LSAT is just idiotic."
PWN3D!!! |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:59 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman 1. Many of your sentences are illogical and incoherent. 2. You are obviously grammatically challenged. You don't include commas, periods, etc. You even use a slash when you're supposed to use a comma. Learn what misplaced modifiers, coordinating conjugations, and fragments are, you pathetic moron. 3. Your LSAT score must suck. You need to study more for it. Do you go to a top 14?
You can disregard a case based on your own pathetic experiences. That sounds like many dictators in history. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:05 AM Author: apoplectic theatre "3. Your LSAT score must suck. You need to study more for it."
Umm... did you miss the part where he said he's a 2L? |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:22 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Being a 2L doesn't mean his scores doesn't suck. I'm sure he can still up his score. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128213) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:23 AM Author: apoplectic theatre why the hell would someone take the LSAT again if they are already in law school?
Seriously? |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:23 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Are you utterly incapable of logical thought? What do the Nazis have to do with this case?
Why don't you believe in giving people a FAIR trial?
Do you believe a manipulative and biased petition will make a retrial happen? Why not let prosecutors make that decision. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:00 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I probably have more logical thought than your asshole self. Read my fucking posts to see what the Nazis have to do with this case. I do believe in a fair trial. Sleezy defense attorneys have flooded the systems, so justice doesn't occur as much as it should. I don't believe that the petition will do jack shit. I just support, because the guys are rapists. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128091) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:23 AM Author: apoplectic theatre High school much?
The reason why we can judge the Nazis given their first hand knowledge is because we have also heard the first hand knowledge of others. Not because our knowledge from afar is better than their knowledge up close.
If you don't provide the first hand account of all parties involved, then you're deciding on an incomplete picture. There's a word for that: bias. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:03 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Okay, you missed the point. We haven't heard jack shit about other genocides and wars. We're not allowed to condemn them now by your logic. I can condemn what the Huns and Mongols did, but I haven't read any evidence on what they did. Only to uphold the value of impartiality over the value of justice. I hope you just don't screw people over when you become a lawyer. Laywers like you disgust me. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128106) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:08 AM Author: apoplectic theatre If you haven't seen the evidence of what the Huns and Mongols did, you can't condemn them. (Duh.) You cannot condemn without hearing both sides. This is basic stuff. Impartiality and justice are one in the same.
"Laywers like you disgust me."
I relish the thought. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:23 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman You are a moron in making this point. I can condemn almost any genocide without seeing actual evidence of what they did. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128223) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:24 AM Author: apoplectic theatre no, you can't. Not if you're using logic as opposed to emotion.
That's really all I see in you: you're driven by emotion. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:27 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman emotion and logic.
Logic: Three football players come in, and they have intercourse and oral sex with a student who is trying to finish her paper. One of the defendants has committed sexual battery before. Two of them leave the room to make sure no one comes near the door, instead of fucking her themselves. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:28 AM Author: apoplectic theatre right. you will not do well in law school. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128242) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:29 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I'd rather have a heart than do well in law school. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128246) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:30 AM Author: apoplectic theatre heart with no head won't win many cases. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128257) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:52 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Head with no heart is a guarantee spot in Hell. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128404) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 10:58 PM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort who cares.
your "petition" is unconvincing. tighten it up a little and just write: "we the undersigned root for the accuser in rape cases because that augments our compassionate self-image."
also, to allay an obvious source of doubt, i suggest adding a section with the heading: WHY SHE DIDN'T BITE THEIR COCKS OFF WHEN SHE HAD THE CHANCE. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:04 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Get the fuck to hell. Tell the devil how people like you continue to let rapists walk. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128110) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:02 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino So wait. Correct me if I'm missing something. These guys were charged with the full range of proper charges that the authors of this petition wanted them charged with. Then they got aquitted in a fair trail. And now you're petitioning what?
They obviously can't be charged again. So what is the goal? Just to say "we think they're guilty"? Did something happen at the trial that was not right (other than your claim that the defendants didn't tell the full truth)? Was the alleged victim treated properly? I just don't get what you're all riled up about. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:09 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe They were not acquitted, the jury was just hung, so there can be a retrial.
However, your premise still stands. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:11 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino Ah, ok. Missed the hung jury part.
So is this petition just to get a retrial or what? Has the decision been made to definitely retry or not retry these guys? |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:15 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe I'm not sure if a decision has been made, but apparently these people want a "fair retrial," somehow implying that the original trial wasn't fair because the People did not win.
Basically, the OP is an idiot who is trying to sound compassionate.
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Certianly sounds like reasonable doubt to me.
"Jane Doe testified that there were no weapons, threats, etc. by any of the defendants. Yet, beyond saying "no" to Defendant Stringer's initial verbal overtures (when Dawson and Anthony were not even present in the room), she testified that she never gave any of them any verbal or physical indication that she was an unwilling participant. Perhaps she was too scared to do so, but was there reasonable doubt? She sat in her room and conversed with the various defendants both before and after the incidents occurred. She gave her phone # to Defendant Stringer AFTER he allegedly raped her. She was able to say "no" when asked for food, etc, but not when it came to the sexual acts. She initially testified that she had lifted her hips to facilitate Defendant Anthony's pulling her pants off. She performed oral sex on all 3 defendants. With respect to both Jane Doe and the defendants, there was changed testimony between preliminary hearing and the trial. There were also a number of "strange" actions by Jane Doe later that day, although many could obviously be attributed to being in a state of shock/denial. The bottom line is there was reasonable doubt as to what occurred." |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:17 PM Author: transparent big hell mexican Nah, the "victim" is a friend of his sister's or something. I bet if this happened to some random girl he wouldn't be here. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126744) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:18 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman The victim actually isn't connected to me at all. More pathetic comments, Meaty Penis. Shouldn't you be making your penis more meaty by raping girls right now? How does it feel to be an asshole? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126756) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:20 PM Author: transparent big hell mexican I wouldn't know, but your sister's asshole sure felt tight when I stuck my man meat up there. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126766) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:20 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino you sound like a train-wreck. How about answering my questions which have been phrased in a non-confromtational manner instead of swapping lame insults? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126767) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:21 PM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort being active with these sorts of issues will get you laid by quite a few feminist types. it's actually a reasonably good use of time. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126779) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:19 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino Perhaps the OP should document what "unfair" things happened, so we can consider the issue. The result seems to have been arrived at fairly, based on what we've been told in this thread. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126760) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:05 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Rapists get off when sleezy defense attorneys do anything to produce reasonable doubt. That's unfair. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128123) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:20 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Clearly, you are an idiot who will risk the safety of the public for the sanctity of the legal system. Go luck running your Plan Bs and stupid miminization defenses to create reasonable doubt. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126768) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:21 PM Author: comical light house I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but I'll chime in as someone who'll take the sanctity of the legal system over the safety of the public any day of the week and twice on Sundays. We've been around for 200 years because of that attitude. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126775) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:22 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino wait, so are you saying that a criminal proceeding should be determined by majority vote of the uninformed community at-large? I don't get where you're going with this. Rape is a serious thing and alleged victims should have their day in court. But defendants need to be allowed to defend themselves, should they not? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126784) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:06 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nope. I see no way to improve our current system. It works, but it's not perfect. I don't think we can make it perfect with today's society. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128129) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:25 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe I'm not sure that you are completely rational (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126798) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:25 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig actually, i'm a much bigger fan of putting scumbags in prison, than the sanctity of the legal system, but i have to say i'd have to see the case itself.
it seems to cut both ways. esp rapes w/multiple people involved and the specific counts and exactly who's guilty of what. A and B might be guilty of 1 and 2 and C might be guilty of 1.
rapes are very touchy and very often circumstantial cases. you need to see full picture.
got a link to the actual case facts? |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:21 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig again, i want to see the rape kit and the actual case, not just one juror or website's interpretation of it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126773) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:22 PM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort OK. we'll get that rape kit right over to you. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126782) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:28 PM Author: Plum public bath codepig LOL. no, i'm serious.
they post the details of it in the case facts. it's not mentioned on the website or by the jurors. i'm guessing they didn't have one. so it's a purely circumstantial case. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:04 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman You're one of the jurors "too stupid to get out of jury duty." (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128115) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:25 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman One guy is being retried. I think they are trying to petition the DA to retry the other two. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126801) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:27 PM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort if you tell me jane doe's real name i'll sign the petition. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126813) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:07 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I don't know her. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128131) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:28 PM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Oh, the ones 11 of the 12 jurors said were NOT GUILTY.
Why waste more taxpayer money? They're never going to be convicted. |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:29 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe But the website says they are guilty! (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126823) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:07 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Oh, so save tens dollar and let a rapist go? You should stop eating. It's making more rapists go free. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128139) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:29 PM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino Ok, so this petition is just to have all 3 guys retried, not just the 1st one? That seems fairly reasonable. Why didn't you just say that clearly in the begining and spare us your bizzare support of vigilanty justice supplanting a rational legal system? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126824) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:41 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Yes, that's the issue. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126883) |
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Date: August 5th, 2004 11:44 PM Author: hairraiser dull indian lodge giraffe ok, now explain why they should be retried (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1126894) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:08 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman They've raped someone. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128142) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:09 AM Author: apoplectic theatre allegedly.
You keep forgetting to include that part, that right now, all you have is an accusation. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 11:59 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman ... and studies by crime institutes that say about 120,000 people a year are acquitted of crimes they committed. You must use logic when approaching these criminals. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129908) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:01 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Final thought: The United States does have the best legal system in the world. I truly believe that, as the European systems are too lenient to the criminals. I realize that our criminal system is set up so that the number of guilty people that get off greatly exceed the number of innocent people that go to jail. Perhaps that will comfort me whenever a guilty man/woman is free to go - that the same "reasonable doubt" clause that allowed him/her to go free will also allow an innocent man to go free. Working for criminal law firms myself, I know what defense attorneys will do to create reasonable doubt, and I can't stand the disgusting defense strategies as well as the fact that these strategies get criminals off. I hate the overzealousness of the defense in defending their criminals. I'm not advocating a change to the legal system at all, as I haven't formed my own opinions on it. I realize that lessening the burden off proof will send innocent people to jail more easily. I do believe in a fair trial, but our society does not allow it - not when a criminal who gets a public defender goes to jail while a rich guy gets off with his armies of lawyers, not when a criminal trial allows any defense at all while a civil trial involving the same case will not allow that defense, etc. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127030) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:10 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort "not when a criminal trial allows any defense at all while a civil trial involving the same case will not allow that defense, etc."
what the hell are you talking about?
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:56 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman in a civil trial, the defendant must provide at least some evidence to back up his defence. ie. that's why oj couldn't run his "cops are going to get me" defense. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127571) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:12 AM Author: Aqua fiercely-loyal partner casino didn't i read that these were 3 young black men? Are you decrying the system as too easy on young black men?
And what defense are you talking about that wouldn't be allowed? |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:08 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Thanks for not being harsh to me. I answered the question above. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128146) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:38 AM Author: apoplectic theatre "I hate the overzealousness of the defense in defending their criminals."
WTF, man?!
First, they're not criminals until they are found guilty. Second, they are not guilty until a jury of their peers finds them guilty. Third, you don't have a problem with the DA being "overzealous" do you? The system works best when both sides are working at their maximums.
Your problem is that you seem to believe any accusation that crosses your path. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:12 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nope, I don't believe KB raped that groupie. I don't believe SP murdered his wife. This is ridiculous. I'm not even going to reply to your ignorants posts anymore. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127702) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:25 AM Author: apoplectic theatre you completely ignored the substantive part of my post. Are you ashamed to address it? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127810) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:10 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman They're not criminals by the legal system, but they're criminals pre se. I have a problem when DAs are overzealous, when they pursue crimes for politics. The problem is the the defense is often working at maximums. Most DAs graduated from TTT schools, while the best defense attorneys went to great schools. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128155) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:13 AM Author: apoplectic theatre that's where you're really off the deep end. DAs, especially in large counties like Los Angeles and San Bernardino have DAs that are extremely educated. You couldn't be one.
Besides that, only a fool relies on his resume to win a case. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:25 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I said most DAs, you moron. Don't look at the most qualified DAs. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128228) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:27 AM Author: apoplectic theatre Don't look at the most qualified defense attorneys then. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128238) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:28 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman The amount of most qualified defense attorneys strongly outweighs the most qualified DAs. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128244) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:30 AM Author: apoplectic theatre so you assume. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128253) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:41 AM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Final thought: You're a fucking moron. I truly believe that. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127446) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:11 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Final thought: you are a fucking asshole. Get the fuck to hell before you end up screwing people as a lawyer. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127687) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:19 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort Subject: your message of hate so what you're basically saying is all young negro men who receive oral sex from a white woman (who failed to bite off even a single penis when she had the chance) should be put in jail if enough people sign a petition?
nice point of view. why don't you take your racism somewhere that it's welcome. like nazi germany. or the ante-bellum south. or a jurisdiction that lagged in implementing brown v. board of education and thereby perpetuated de facto, if not de jure, segregation. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:26 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nope, I'm saying that all rapists should be prosecuted, but they're often not because sleezy defense attorneys create reasonable doubt. A retrail should occur if the other two are guilty. I have Black friends, tutor inner-city kids, etc. You are a moron for making this reference. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127824) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:27 AM Author: apoplectic theatre what you're saying though is that these guys are rapists. How do you know? From listening to one side of the story only. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127837) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:33 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Your rich, privileged ass isn't too street smart. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127890) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:44 AM Author: apoplectic theatre you clearly don't know me. Clearly.
And you go to UCLA? Yeah. That's a place where I'd expect non-rich people with street smarts. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:51 AM Author: transparent big hell mexican He goes to Pomona. Here is a picture of him.
http://www.oldenborg.pomona.edu/sections/chinese/dinner_03-04/Program/Skit15.JPG
No joke.
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:04 AM Author: apoplectic theatre Pomona? The mean streets of Pomona? Damn. I should defer to him.
Seriously, guy, you have not presented anywhere close to an honest, unbiased argument. She could have been raped, but there's way too much doubt to convict. Your petition is silly.
besides that, if you're truly just trying to gain a better environment for the UCLA campus, why are you asking people that have no ties to UCLA? |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:13 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Thank you for your humble opinion, which by the way has every single right to be. I don't give a fuck about UCLA. I give a fuck about convicting rapists. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128172) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:16 AM Author: apoplectic theatre alleged. You forgot to include alleged again. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128184) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:01 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman About 120,000 people get off for crimes they committed, and that's just for prosecuted crimes. You keep on believing that these people are innocent. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129920) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:01 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman About 120,000 people get off for crimes they committed, and that's just for prosecuted crimes. You keep on believing that these people are innocent. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129921) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:15 PM Author: apoplectic theatre 1) Innocent until proven guilty
2) Good luck on the LSAT.
3) you may have the last word. This is stupid.
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:11 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman You don't know my ass too. You don't know why I make the decisions I do. Do you go to a TTT law school? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128164) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:15 AM Author: apoplectic theatre You know, I'm going to give you the chance to edit that and fix your grammatical mistakes, considering your flame on ICE up above.
But to answer your question, I go to a very good law school, and I'm a pretty decent student there. Any other questions? |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:19 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I reject your offer, like the girl rejected the sexual advances of three men. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128201) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:22 AM Author: apoplectic theatre and you say you're not biased? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128216) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:03 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Impartiality in today's society is support for the criminals. There is something seriously wrong when society puts criminal rights ahead of victim's rights. There is something wrong if six people agree that a criminal is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, five other people agree that a criminal is guilty but not beyond a reasonable doubt, and the criminal still gets off. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1129934) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:38 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort by my count you have committed ELEVEN separate hate crimes in this thread alone. and you practically admitted that when you "tutor" these "inner city kids" that you give them WRONG information so you can later claim they are "intellectually inferior." disgusting. but not as bad as when you noted that "Jane Doe wasn't a half-bad piece of ass." here's more of your explosive bigotry and racism -- IN YOUR OWN WORDS:
Date: August 5th, 2004 11:12 PM Author: dbzkenshinfreak
we must all be wrong when we say that Germany shouldn't have committed genocide ... Germans ... heard the facts ...
i, for one, don't think it is wrong to condemn genocide. but i guess you want to bring genocide to westwood. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:16 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nice job taking words out of context.
You can't count. I actually gotten some of them to graduate from high school. I don't give them wrong information. Your accusation is disgusting, just like the defense attorneys that you'll become. What you said is an extension of the point the other guy made early.
Learn what sarcasm is, you fucking moron. "Nice logic there. I guess that we must all be wrong when we say that Germany shouldn't have committed genocide (although the Germans are the ones "who heard the facts and details of the case first-hand" as to commit genocide) and basically any other war and genocide that took place." I was throwing a guy's point back at him. I condemn all genocides and most wars. You are a fucking moron. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 5:28 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort i think most people would agree that it's far too late to say your words were "taken out of context" as you scurry to claim, finally, that you "condemn genocide." the damage is done. what changed? why, now, all of a sudden, do you condemn genocide. you certainly never condemned it prior to this post. (and don't think it has gone unnoticed that you still have not stated that you actually oppose either land mines or the September 11th terrorist attacks.)
as to your dealings with young black boys, it's telling that you now write that you've "gotten SOME of them to graduate from high school." what about the rest? is it perhaps the case that you befriend and "tutor" them and then circulate petitions demanding their incarceration? and what exactly is this "tutoring"? maybe suggesting that they stop by Jane Doe's room and "get their poles smoked, guaranteed"?
and, back to the original issue, once and for all just tell us -- yes or no-- if it was you who said: "she can't say 'no,' not with a dick in her mouth."? you still have never denied making this statement.
i -- all of us -- wonder how you can have no shame, no remorse. and we can only wonder which young black boy will be the next one you target with one of your infamous "Send a Negro to Jail" petitions. so let me just ask you this: how many petitions have you organized to put WHITES rather than blacks in jail? there's really no point in your answering because every, single petition you've ever organized targets blacks. and the argument that because it's "only jail" means it isn't genocide doesn't hold water. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:26 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman I think most people would agree that you're a selfish asshole. Go ask people you know truthfully. The truth is that you have probably raped someone before. The fact that you don't care (as indicated in your earlier post) speaks volumes about your lack of any moral integrity. I didn't write the fucking petition, you moron. You're a fucking idiot if you can't catch sarcasm. Read the post carefully. The guy implied that only people with first-hand accounts are right. I countered by saying that Nazis must be right then sarcastically, since they had a first-hand account about going to war. The fact that you made this accusation SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE SLEEZY DEFENSE ATTORNEY THAT YOU WILL BECOME IN THE NEAR FUTURE! We are allowed to judge wars and genocides, even if we don't have first-hand accounts. Genocide is bad (I've written many papers opposing genocide, but that's beside the point). War is bad. Land mines are bad. They kill people needlessly. We should only go to war because we have not, not because we want to. *cough.* Bush. *cough. Get some reading comprehension skills, since it looks like you need some.
This is where you show that you are an asshole. When was the last time that you helped people? Let me guess: never, besides the mandoratory community service you do to look good while you're really an asshole. You don't give a shit about anybody but yourself. You bash people that help other people, because you're afraid that they have more moral grounding that your pathetic excuse for a human being who abides by social and cultural norms. You are a morally bankrupt person. People like you are the reason why there is corruption in the world. If someone tries to do a good deed, you dismiss it altogether. I certainly don't have to explain why and how I help inner-city kids to an asshole who's never really helped people in their lives.
Your post is a bunch of rambling bullshit. I wonder how you have no shame and remorse when you dismiss a case on a merits due to your pathetic experiences and opinions. There are reasons why 90% of rapes go unreported (by crime institutes). One reason is because assholes like you dismiss them. Because you belittle crimes, you allow those who commit crimes to go free. People like you encourage crimes.
I will not address the dick in your mouth question. This shows how ridiculous and improbable defenses can become. Thank you for showing that you will become the scum of the heart by creating any defense possible to acquit guilty men. Have fun in Hell!
I've never organized petitions before. The truth is that I've been emotional when my ex-friend whom I grew up with commits a rape, when teachers exploit the vulnerabilities of young female students, and the such.
Conclusion: You did a pathetic job of creating a typical defense that most defense attorneys create for their guilty criminals. Have fun getting people off! You're doing Satan's work on Earth. Keep it up! |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:26 AM Author: apoplectic theatre don't forget, she also gave them her phone number after the act. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127827) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:33 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman don't forget, the rape expert said that she acted like most rape victims do. don't forget, one of the defendents committed sexual battery minutes before raping her. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1127887) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:46 AM Author: apoplectic theatre if you don't see reasonable doubt in giving your assailant your phone number AFTER you were attacked, you're a fool.
Oh wait... |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:20 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman If you continue to let rapists off, then you're a moron. Get the fuck to hell already. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128204) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:23 AM Author: apoplectic theatre you didn't answer the question. You're not an honest debater. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128221) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 12:29 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Rape victims usually do whatever the rapists tell them, oddly. Read the studies for yourself. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1130211) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:55 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort are you a chinaman? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128069) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 1:56 AM Author: transparent big hell mexican
http://www.oldenborg.pomona.edu/sections/chinese/dinner_03-04/Program/Skit15.JPG
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:00 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort that's a chinaman. just as i suspected. they pull this sort of thing quite often. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128090) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:59 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman You're an asshole. You do selfish things way too often. Say hi to Meaty Penis for me in Hell. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128438) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 3:01 AM Author: Frisky mauve cruise ship son of senegal Do you think that anybody who disagrees with you is going to hell? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128451) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 3:08 AM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman Nope, but it might be good flame. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128491) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:07 AM Author: Violet well-lubricated resort "yellow is the soul that flees from itself." -Abraham Lincoln |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:11 AM Author: apoplectic theatre I'd say this was flamebait, but there are actually 4000+ people out there that signed this stupid thing.
Either that, or 1 guy that has a whole shitload of time on his hands. |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:53 AM Author: Low-t effete meetinghouse stock car Either the OP is a colossal moron, or this is some of the best flamebait we've seen here in a while. Possibly both, I suppose. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128412) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 2:56 AM Author: apoplectic theatre hung jury. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=69111&forum_id=2#1128426) |
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Date: August 6th, 2004 3:10 AM Author: claret passionate regret "Chuwan Anthony, Jamar Dawson and DeShawn Stringer"
Are you fucking kidding me? Those are like names RWA would make up.
From now on, black mothers have to choose from a list. |
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Date: August 7th, 2004 2:42 PM Author: twisted coffee pot patrolman One of the revolutionary experts on rape, Symonds, “has delineated four phases of stress response, two occurring during victimization and two occurring in the post-trauma phase. Phase I includes reactions of shock and disbelief accompanied by temporary paralysis of action and denial of sensory impression. Phase II (or when denial is overwhelmed by reality) is termed "frozen fright" and includes terror-induced, pseudo-calm, detached behavior. In Phase III, after the criminal departs, the victim experiences circular bouts of apathy, resignation, anger, resentment, rage, insomnia, startle reactions, and a replay of the traumatic event through dreams and nightmares. Phase IV includes restoration, resolution, and integration of the experience into the victim's behavior and lifestyle.”
“accompanied by a temporary paralysis of action and denial of sensory impression.” According to most XOXOers, that’s impossible. She should be able to scream, God damn it!!!! She should be able to move!!!
European Court of Human Rights have realized that “frozen fright” is “the most common response to rape, where the terrorised victim either submits passively to or dissociates her or himself psychologically from the rape. Of the 25 rape cases analysed, concerning women in Bulgaria aged between 14 and 20, 24 of the victims had responded to their aggressor in this way.”
Whom many people regard as the foremost expert on rape in Penn said “frozen fright, immobilizes a victim, rendering her incapable of physically resisting her assailant.” Naw, she should be able to bite the dick off and resist.
“terrorized victim either submits passively to or dissociates her or himself psychologically from the rape” and “rendering her incapable of physically resisting her assailant.” According to most XOXOers, that’s impossible. She should be able to bite dick off, run away, scream, and the such. She can’t be dissociating herself psychologically from the rape. She has to know what’s going on!!!! The study is wrong, God damn it!
Whom many people regard as the foremost expert on rape in Penn said “frozen fright, immobilizes a victim, rendering her incapable of physically resisting her assailant.” Naw, she should be able to bite the dick off and resist.
“ Many rape victims offer little or no physical resistance, due to a variety of social and psychological factors, including “frozen fright,” and an overwhelming desire to simply survive the attack.” XOXOers: Naw, she wants to be the living shit out of the rapists. Who cares if they’re three times as big. I’ll resist physically as much as I can.
It's because you people hold these attitudes that rapists get off. Really, I don't know what reality you live in, but maybe you should pay attention to studies once in a while, especially when they involve the psychological safety of your loved ones who are female. The following articles and study support this hypothesis. There are many more too. The hypothesis is practically a law in the academia world of rape. You can continue to ignore these studies if you wish. Doing so will endanger our society, as I fear the day that you reach a jury and impose your flawed views onto the trial.
TI: Use of a Y Chromosome Probe as an Aid in the Forensic Proof of Sexual Assault
AU: Dziegelewski, Michael [M.S.]; Simich, John P [Ph.D.]; Rittenhouse-Olson, Kate [Ph.D.]
SO: Journal of Forensic Sciences, vol. 47, no. 3, pp. 601 - 604, May 2002
TI: Serological Evidence in Sexual Assault Investigations
AU: Grispino, R R J
SO: FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, vol. 59, no. 10, pp. 14-20, October 1990
TI: Rape Victim - Psychological Patterns of Response
AU: Symonds, M
SO: American Journal of Psychoanalysis, vol. 36, no. 1, pp. 27-34, 1976
TI: Date-Rape-Supporting and Victim-Blaming Attitudes among High School Students in a Multiethnic Society
AU: Geiger, Brenda; Fischer, Michael; Eshet, Yovav
SO: Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2004, 19, 4, Apr, 406-426
TI: Perceived Social Competence and Rape Myth Endorsement
AU: Gamper, Catharine M
SO: Deviant Behavior, 2004, 25, 2, Mar-Apr, 133-150
TI: The Practice of Law as Structured Action: The Role of Lawyers in the Criminalization of Violent Men and Women
AU: Balfour, Gillian
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TI: Sexual Abuse of Children: Misconception, Mistreatment, and Myths Revealed
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SO: Southern Sociological Society (SSS), 2003
TI: Clergy's Attitudes and Attributions of Blame toward Female Rape Victims
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TI: Sex Differences in Interpreting Male-Female Dyad Interactions: Males' Predominance in Perceiving Sexual Intent
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TI: Social Reactions to Sexual Assault Victims from Various Support Sources
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TI: Experiences with Sexual Coercion in College Males and Females: Role of Family Conflict, Sexist Attitudes, Acceptance of Rape Myths, Self-Esteem, and the Big-Five Personality Factors
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TI: The Social Construction of Rape in the Talk of a Convicted Rapist
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TI: Beliefs about the Causes of Four Types of Rape
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TI: Recognition of Sexual Harassment and Rape Myth Acceptance among College Students
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TI: How Journalists Represent Violence against Women
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TI: Correlates of Pre-College Males' Sexual Aggression: Attitudes, Beliefs and Behavior
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TI: The Effects of Gender and Music Video Imagery on Sexual Attitudes
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TI: Rape Myth Acceptance and Accessibility of the Gender Category
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TI: Sexual Violence: Our War against Rape
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