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Dumb here. What does Roe v Wade say about abortions?

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Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
it's in a penumbra
Odious Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/20/19
Idk what that means. Can you explain?
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it
Odious Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/20/19
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cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
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Gold cumskin
  05/20/19
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Flushed Dilemma Sneaky Criminal
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Crystalline idiotic university foreskin
  05/20/19
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coral deep abode chad
  05/20/19
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Marvelous field
  05/20/19
it's a liberty protected by the constitution
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later
arrogant police squad garrison
  05/20/19
The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and...
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
great summary
Odious Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/20/19
where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th...
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations c...
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shi...
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case Griswol...
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the c...
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
same spot
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution
wonderful jade fortuitous meteor stead
  05/20/19
blame republicans in 1868
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
Same strain of religiousity
wonderful jade fortuitous meteor stead
  05/20/19
lmao at the state of our “country”
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the ...
Appetizing Buck-toothed Giraffe Piazza
  05/20/19
Except less honest about the charade
Translucent heaven
  05/20/19
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cowardly mauve area
  05/20/19
The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of pr...
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justic...
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
No Everyone agrees there are certain times where the consti...
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the consti...
Gold cumskin
  05/20/19
lol not even thomas thinks this
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
many people are saying this
Gold cumskin
  05/20/19
-@realDonaldTrump
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
Amy Barrett does
narrow-minded nowag
  05/20/19
no con justices do not believe the constitution provides ...
Gold cumskin
  05/20/19
con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy ...
sapphire plaza pocket flask
  05/20/19
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coral deep abode chad
  05/20/19
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Bat-shit-crazy indirect expression resort
  05/20/19
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cowardly mauve area
  05/20/19
Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when ...
citrine center
  05/20/19
Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.
hilarious soul-stirring idiot deer antler
  05/20/19
I have 2 dads
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
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Odious Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/20/19
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=123341239458352...
saffron disgusting church building
  05/20/19
it has been years since law school, but basically, the state...
Wine ticket booth knife
  05/20/19
How did it come up with a trimester approach?
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
made it up that's why casey overturned it, because it was s...
adventurous lettuce
  05/20/19
Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law...
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
first-mover advantage
Odious Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/20/19
Be it’s more famous not flame Casey is controlling...
cowardly mauve area
  05/20/19
Can you tell me what Casey says?
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/20/19
Case I believe is the one that says something like the state...
Wine ticket booth knife
  05/21/19
Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/21/19
24 weeks.
diverse library
  05/21/19
Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about. 1. Roe...
adventurous lettuce
  05/21/19
So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after ...
Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm
  05/21/19
Depends
Floppy Outnumbered Hairy Legs
  05/21/19
It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions a...
cream magical faggotry location
  05/20/19
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cowardly mauve area
  05/20/19
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Swashbuckling School Cafeteria
  05/21/19
This is helpful. Thank u
Jet beady-eyed factory reset button
  05/20/19
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Floppy Outnumbered Hairy Legs
  05/21/19


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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261883)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: Odious Mad-dog Skullcap

it's in a penumbra

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261889)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:17 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

Idk what that means. Can you explain?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261905)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: Odious Mad-dog Skullcap

I can't and apparently neither could the guy who wrote it

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261922)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261930)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: Gold cumskin



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261983)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: Flushed Dilemma Sneaky Criminal



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262048)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Crystalline idiotic university foreskin



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262463)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:27 PM
Author: coral deep abode chad



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262487)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: Marvelous field



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264262)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:19 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

it's a liberty protected by the constitution

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261921)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: arrogant police squad garrison

That was Casey which reinvented Roe 20 years later

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263116)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:20 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

The words of the constitution emanate unwritten meanings and cast penumbras. Those emanations and penumbras are detectable by liberal justices and mean that democratically enacted laws are unconstitutional when they don’t comport with the liberal dogma of the day. The same analysis doesn’t apply to reach conservative results - it’s a one way street. It turns out that one of those emanations means that it’s unconstitutional to impede a woman’s right (found in a penumbra) to commit infanticide in certain cases. This summary is 100% true and serious.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261925)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:21 PM
Author: Odious Mad-dog Skullcap

great summary

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261929)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

where in the constitution do these penumbras come from? 14th amendment?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261947)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:25 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

No - that type of jurisprudence came later. The emanations come from the actual written guarantees in the bill of rights. The real trick is that it’s only possible for liberal justices to discern these emanations. Then they can figure out what rights are found in their penumbras.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261953)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

That's Griswold, in Roe the court stepped back from that shit

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261963)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

Isn’t Roe part of the Griswold line of cases?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261988)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

court keeps wandering off in its theory of the case

Griswold court is all "penumbra"

Roe court is like "wow y'all hated that penumbra shit, ummm it's maybe 14A? but it could be 9A idk"

Casey court is "okay, we hear you, 14A, it's 14A"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261994)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:53 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

Thanks it has been years since I had con law. Where in the constitution is the right to engage in homosexual sodomy?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262328)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:05 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

same spot

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262388)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: wonderful jade fortuitous meteor stead

That's a pretty fucked up part of the constitution

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262397)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

blame republicans in 1868

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262423)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: wonderful jade fortuitous meteor stead

Same strain of religiousity

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262452)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:42 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

lmao at the state of our “country”

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263040)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:43 PM
Author: Appetizing Buck-toothed Giraffe Piazza

It's like Joseph Smith interpreting the stones to write the Book of Mormon

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262045)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:33 PM
Author: Translucent heaven

Except less honest about the charade

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263323)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: cowardly mauve area



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264239)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as 1891, the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, in the Ninth Amendment, or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment. These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" are included in this guarantee of personal privacy. They also make it clear that the right has some extension to activities relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261961)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

So is it fair to say that while everyone (lib and con justices) agrees the constitution gives us the right to privacy, the question for decades has been whether the right to privacy included the right of a woman to abort?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38261995)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:37 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

No

Everyone agrees there are certain times where the constitution protects certain things that are private in certain contexts

There's no freestanding "right to privacy"

Better question for court today: does the fact that the state shall not deprive anyone of "liberty" without "due process of law" include the "liberty" to abort

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262009)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: Gold cumskin

That's so 1993. Now we're at: does the fact that the constitution provides that no one shall be deprived of "life" forbid the state from countenancing abortion under any circumstances? (the answer is yes)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262018)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

lol not even thomas thinks this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262022)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: Gold cumskin

many people are saying this

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262032)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

-@realDonaldTrump

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262055)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:31 PM
Author: narrow-minded nowag

Amy Barrett does

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262998)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:38 PM
Author: Gold cumskin

no

con justices do not believe the constitution provides a freestanding "right of privacy." They believe the constitution provides many specific protections - such as a right to be free from unlawful search and seizure - but that there is no general protection for privacy anywhere.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262012)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:49 PM
Author: sapphire plaza pocket flask

con justices follow the constitution which leads to privacy rights being protected that libs would not protect

libs? when it suits

kyllo

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262072)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: coral deep abode chad



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262393)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:18 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy indirect expression resort



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262458)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: cowardly mauve area



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264235)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: citrine center

Our constitution casts a secret shadow of secrets, and when you’re in that shadow you can kill babies.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262001)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:00 PM
Author: hilarious soul-stirring idiot deer antler

Basically that your mom can get a doctor to do it next time.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262107)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 4:02 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

I have 2 dads

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262117)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: Odious Mad-dog Skullcap



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263109)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 5:10 PM
Author: saffron disgusting church building

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12334123945835207673

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262415)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 7:29 PM
Author: Wine ticket booth knife

it has been years since law school, but basically, the state has to balance the woman's interest in privacy with the state's interest in protecting the baby and then came up with a trimester approach, where the woman's interest trumps in the first trimester, the state's interest can trump in the third trimester, and in the second trimester there can be reasonable limitations.

This later got morphed into something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38262992)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

How did it come up with a trimester approach?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263270)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:23 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

made it up

that's why casey overturned it, because it was sps

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263276)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:32 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

Why does everyone refer to Roe v Wade as the controlling law then?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263321)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: Odious Mad-dog Skullcap

first-mover advantage

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264241)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: cowardly mauve area

Be it’s more famous not flame

Casey is controlling

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264252)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:51 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

Can you tell me what Casey says?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264276)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 9:00 AM
Author: Wine ticket booth knife

Case I believe is the one that says something like the state cannot put undue burdens on women before viability of the fetus



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265289)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

Did Casey say when a fetus becomes viable?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265799)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:53 AM
Author: diverse library

24 weeks.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265873)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

Casey kind of does four things law geeks care about.

1. Roe is like an important kind of precedent we can't just toss out.

2. While we were kind of uncertain where in the Constitution talks about abortion, we're saying it's a woman's "liberty" under the Fourteenth Amendment.

3. The "trimester" framework we made up was SPS so we're throwing it away and instead saying the woman's liberty interest is high before fetal viability and low after fetal viability.

4. Any laws restricting abortion before fetal viability can't place an "undue burden" on the woman (which means pretty much whatever 5 justices say).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265980)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:20 PM
Author: Glittery Godawful Shitlib Business Firm

So under Casey, can states pass laws banning abortion after 24 weeks?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266016)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: Floppy Outnumbered Hairy Legs

Depends

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38266061)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 8:57 PM
Author: cream magical faggotry location

It’s just made up. All the vanguard liberal opinions are just edicts announced by five disconnected “intellectuals” dressed up in 50 - 200 pages of obfuscatory “legal reasoning” and “constitutional law”.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38263457)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: cowardly mauve area



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264253)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: Swashbuckling School Cafeteria



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264454)



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Date: May 20th, 2019 11:49 PM
Author: Jet beady-eyed factory reset button

This is helpful. Thank u

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38264257)



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Date: May 21st, 2019 11:56 AM
Author: Floppy Outnumbered Hairy Legs



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4265559&forum_id=2#38265897)