Date: October 1st, 2004 12:03 AM Author: Useless hairless french chef
By elite, I mean only ivies + SMCB + top LAC's. Seriously, what do you guys think of the festering TTT's that have become so abundant in today's society?
Date: October 1st, 2004 5:08 PM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression
I just would have been miserable at Berkeley. I don't see what that has to do with being smart or not. You can't do much better than Berkeley for most graduate programs, but for undergraduate education, I don't think it's that spectacular.
Date: October 1st, 2004 3:02 AM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression Subject: My School: Northwestern
HYPSMCColumbia: amazing
Penn: nobody here knows or cares much about it. Great school but possibly inflated perception as far as admissions are concerned.
Dartmouth, Brown: Not superior to NU academically, but certainly harder to get into. Basically, extremely elite schools whose identity stems largely from selectivity but not so much from academic excellence, which is no greater than Duke, NU, JHU.
Duke: Fine but not amazing--more selective than its quality would suggest.
Johns Hopkins; great but not spectacualar--certainly no better than NU in academic quality or selecivity.
Rice: Nobody knows much about it. Extremely selective school but one that may be a bit more selective than its reputation suggests. Personally, I love Rice and think it deserves to be considered alongside Duke, Cornell, etc.
Washu: Joke
Cornell: equal to NU but subject to an inflated repuation due to Ivy Status. Overall, it's nothing special compared to what we're used to.
I realize that none of these are lesser schools. We don't bother to inflate our egos by criticizing (even constructively) "lesser" schools. Who knows what "lesser" school is another applicant's dream? It wouldn't be fair.
Date: October 1st, 2004 8:28 AM Author: rambunctious national security agency
That's pretty weird. You guys don't care about Uchicago?
I've never ever heard of people thinking Columbia was in the same tier as HYP outside of people from nyc who are wrong.
Outside of a few professions or situations, if you pay full price for an "elite" school, you're not going to neccessarily do better than going to a ttt.
Date: October 1st, 2004 10:37 AM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression
UChicago--excellent school, but we have such little overlap with them (even in applicants) that it's hard to make any judgment beyond that. Columbia isn't in the same tier as HYP, but I do think that its quality generally matches its selectivity, both of which are extremely high. As pointless as it sounds, I think that there's something to be said for an Ivy League school in Manhattan. It gives the school an edge that not many other colleges have.
In the end, it's not like we sit here talking about what we think of elite schools. Strangely, the topic actually came up last night between my friends and I for the first time since freshman year (I'm a senior now).
Date: October 1st, 2004 10:41 AM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression
I think that's probably true. I was talking about this with my friend who went to Exeter and now goes to NU, and she said that very few people from her high school thought to apply to NU. Then again, 15 from her graduating class went to Harvard.
Date: October 1st, 2004 12:02 PM Author: Aquamarine Cocky Chapel
Is Carleton considered one of those top LACs?
We don't seem to give a fuck about other schools, I definitely haven't heard any real comparison going on where people will ex/implicitly say Carleton > X college or Carleton < Y college. I think there is more general disdain that at other places for large, public schools or snotty East Coast private colleges, but s'all good.
Date: October 1st, 2004 12:05 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
I don't know. I'm not really familiar with Carleton. All I know about it is you turned down Stanford and some other great schools for it, which was stupid.
Date: October 1st, 2004 12:39 PM Author: Infuriating exciting gas station
I think it's really individual to be honest. Some people think state schools suck, some people think they are great. I've met a lot of people who have attended state schools and are here at Penn now and I have met a lot of people who are Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT alums here too. It's really individual on what they think about other schools.
There is one guy here who is a Wharton MBA and did his undergrad at Yale and he lives, eats, sleeps Yale... and constantly compares Penn to Yale. It gets old pretty quickly... whereas another Yale alum I know here doesn't even bother with comparing them.
I think the one thing that I have opened some people to is the thought that one school is not perfect for everyone... and that there IS no ideal school for every person. I *never* would have come to Penn (or other elites) for undergrad because it wasn't going to offer me what I wanted. A lot of people see me as a smart person who went to a state school, which is very common. I would say there were a chunk of my friends who could have attended Penn or similar level schools.
Me personally, I never compare my experiences between Delaware and Penn. Delaware was perfect for undergrad and Penn perfect for Graduate school... you can't really compare the two in my mind.
Date: October 2nd, 2004 12:37 PM Author: Infuriating exciting gas station
You infer too much.
I think of those schools as the top tier and Penn as a choice among students who don't like/weren't admitted to those. Keep in mind this choice is not exclusive.
Frankly, unlike a lot of people on this board, I couldn't give a flying F*ck about what people think about Penn, Delaware or any other school to be honest.
All that matters is that people are happy where they are.
Date: October 1st, 2004 1:23 PM Author: Underhanded Unholy Main People
The only reason people consider Stanford to be HYP level is because it's the only private non-toilet on the west coast. Same reason people consider Duke to be elite.
Date: October 1st, 2004 6:40 PM Author: low-t step-uncle's house roast beef
But it's not an ivy, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Berkeley, or an elite LAC! Clearly, since it isn't incredibly prestigious, merely a very good school, noone gives a crap about it. The fact that graduates from the vast majority of colleges, even literal TTT's (I'm talking third tier by the US News Standards) get good-paying jobs is a fluke of nature. Soon, the U.S. unemployment rate will be >95% and only graduates from the "elites" won't have to worry about living on the streets.
Date: October 2nd, 2004 1:34 AM Author: Useless hairless french chef
That wasn't in response to you. Caltech has many peers-- MIT, Stanford, Ivies, UC-Berkeley. If you look at the actual engineering rankings, Caltech isn't ranked all that highly.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 11:43 PM Author: Underhanded Unholy Main People
That's not something worth bragging about... Just means that those MIT grads are out making big bucks in the private sector and don't need to settle for academia.
Date: October 4th, 2004 2:35 PM Author: rebellious hospital tattoo
"Settle for academia"?
You know that's the first choice of most people who get PhD's, right? And that it's much harder to land an academic job (I'm talking tenure-track here) than it is a job in the private sector?
Date: October 3rd, 2004 9:54 AM Author: Motley frum field codepig
I don't mean that as in you're really just stupid, but that the things you say are lacking in point in a bad way. Like GTO's comments I've noticed, how the things he sometimes says like "There is no such thing as a top LAC ;)" are so painful to read. I realize this is just a silly message board so I don't point it out very often.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 11:57 AM Author: Arousing trailer park associate
Well.... yes, the posts that are lacking in point are the posts that are just little jokes. Which is why they are the ones that include little winkie faces.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:07 PM Author: Motley frum field codepig
They're not witty or funny or anything. Why the fuck do you do it? Don't you realize the excruciating pain I feel reading "I guess you go to a TTT then ;)" followed by "At least I don't go to SEAS which is like a TTT but even worse than an LAC :)," a pain so great I call upon Deus of the magnificent skies to just end it all?
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:26 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
First off, you just stated that Columbia is "some elite shit," whereas you contradicted yourself in previous posts by stating Columbia University to be a TTT. This inconstistency not only invalidates your entire argument, but reveals your inner sense of insecurity towards my accomplishment(s). As I was saying to Lao, Columbia SEAS (yes, it even has Columbia in its name!) is still a part of Columbia. Furthermore, I would like to make it clear to you that I am not even studying ENGINEERING at Columbia. I am studying Computer Science, which is hosted by CC. In otherwords, I get the dual benefit of having a BS, and taking my entire curriculum at CC. All this is in addition to my being in the top 3% of my class as a C. Prescott Davis scholar. You're just revealed that I make you jealous as SHIT. Go drink some used douche fluid now. HTH
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:40 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
jealous of what exactly? Of your self imposed eliteness? Once again you are the shit Princeton rightfully passed on. I dont give a shit what degree you are getting, the program is still apart of the shithole SEAS. You are not part of the elite at Columbia College and do not pretend like you are. The fact that you are at there has made the place into a bigger TTT. Enjoy being in the top 3% of a shithole. SEAS is a TTT as are you. Get over it and yourself you stupid fuck. Princeton said No to your dumbass twice. If you are "Elite" and in the top 3% of SEAS and yet was rejected by princeton, you are every Princeton person's bitch and my bitch. Nothing to be jealous of here.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:46 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Again, I have what you will never. Since you have such a hard time getting this straight, I will make it clearer for your feeble mind: you are the average fuck at an elite. I am top of my class at an elite. You have been unable to clarify to me exactly why SEAS is this supposed TTT you deem it to be. 29th in rankings? Does that make Harvard a TTT too? How about Yale in 49th place? Just the fact that I'm thriving here, in the most prestigious merit-based program in the ivy league is enough to make you quiver with fear at the fact in addition to my intelligence, I value things like virginity. I wouldn't be surprised if you were some richass/AA case that got in through the backdoor. Have fun being the TTT of an elite. I on the other hand, will have fun being the elite of the elite.
Date: October 4th, 2004 11:17 AM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Rabi scholars are. John Jay scholars are not. There are more of them, and less of us, compensating for our smaller student body. It works out that both John Jay and C. Prescott Davis scholars are in the top 3%. Also, Rabi scholars are available only to students interested in the pure sciences.. which is very limiting to both CC and SEAS students.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:47 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
WOW!!! You're back!!! You jealous fuck. I knew you could never leave me. Is that why they offer BA's in CS in CC? Stupid shit. I love the new screen name. How does it feel to be promptly ignored? Your opinions are as important as the turd that comes out of my ass. <3
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:49 PM Author: Disturbing Resort Goyim
*shrug*
The BA in CS is non-ABET accredited. The BS in SEAS *is* ABET accredited. They also offer BA's in Applied Mathematics. Does that make AM a CC department?
I thought you were all SEAS-pride and stuff. Why are you trying to put your respective department in CC now?
Date: October 3rd, 2004 12:57 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
First of all, *you* need to stop stalking me. I know that you are vastly jealous of me, and you admire me, but what you need most is a fucking life, and perhaps a person to show you the ropes. Accredited or not, CS is still undeniably a CC department. BME is not accredited. Does that make it not a SEAS department. You are so full of shit. HTH
Date: October 3rd, 2004 1:00 PM Author: Disturbing Resort Goyim
Dispute me if you want to, but I am curious as how you can claim the authority to dispute the published university governance structure, as listed in the faculty handbook.
Also, my work here is done. My facts are stated. I am out.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 1:11 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
Wow you are a dumb fuck. CS as a BS is SEAS douche bag. And fuck you bitch, top of an ivy? Thats not what your shitty high school grades show. Just because you were awarded some BS award does not make you the top. Heres a hint, average at princeton engineering >>>> top of SEAS bitch. I feel bad for crazybug. He had the option of a merit program at Cornell which your dumbass didn't.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 1:38 PM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression
Maybe it's just 'cause I'm a TTT non-Ivy student, but I don't quite get all of this intra-university jealousy and trash talk. I can understand the Barnard v. Columbia argument, but SEAS vs. College? O.k., if you say so, but it seems a bit odd and immature to me. Am I right in assuming that nobody outside of Columbia (and visitors to this board) would really hold an engineering major in lower regard than a poli. sci. major?
Anyway...not really my place to intrude in this argument, but it does seem a bit strange.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 3:53 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
Even you yourself has tried to differentiate them with:
"First off, you just stated that Columbia is "some elite shit," whereas you contradicted yourself in previous posts by stating Columbia University to be a TTT. This inconstistency not only invalidates your entire argument, but reveals your inner sense of insecurity towards my accomplishment(s). As I was saying to Lao, Columbia SEAS (yes, it even has Columbia in its name!) is still a part of Columbia. Furthermore, I would like to make it clear to you that I am not even studying ENGINEERING at Columbia. I am studying Computer Science, which is hosted by CC. In otherwords, I get the dual benefit of having a BS, and taking my entire curriculum at CC. All this is in addition to my being in the top 3% of my class as a C. Prescott Davis scholar. You're just revealed that I make you jealous as SHIT. Go drink some used douche fluid now. HTH"
Date: October 3rd, 2004 4:01 PM Author: olive racy generalized bond indirect expression
Just because the two colleges are "separated" within Columbia University doesn't mean that SEAS isn't as much a part of the university as is the College. Cornell also separates its engineering program into a separate college, but nobody denies that it is still a part of Cornell Unviersity, just like the College of Arts and Sciences. My school also separates its engineering program into a different "school," (one that also has a lower numerical ranking than our university as a whole), but nobody distinguishes them in a negative fashion from the rest of the student body (if anything, they are the most well-respected students in our school because of the difficulty of engineering).
From the point of view of an outsider, this whole argument is just a case of a little greed--elitism gone crazy, if you will. You have more prestige than most people can ever dream of, yet you wish for more, and you view the engineering program as a black mark on your institution, simply because it doesn't contribute to the top liberal arts curriculum in which you take so much pride. It seems like a major case of hair-splitting, and I really do hope that you all don't walk around debating this shit on campus for 4 years. That's a total waste.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 9:33 PM Author: mind-boggling emerald feces
It's ironic that a kid who just last spring was beaming with pride at his CWRU acceptance thinks he's qualified to compare prestigious universities and TTTs.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 10:39 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Fanatic, I know you're fucking jealous of me. I know it hurts to know that I am a C. Prescott Davis scholar, and you're an average fuck. But how convenient is it that you totally decide to ignore THIS?
"You have been unable to clarify to me exactly why SEAS is this supposed TTT you deem it to be. 29th in rankings? Does that make Harvard a TTT too? How about Yale in 49th place?"
Please.. oh please.. go back to your Princeton TTT life. Kiss my Columbia ass. HTH
Date: October 3rd, 2004 10:51 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
yes it means Harvard and Yale engineering are TTTs also. Now shut the fuck up. half the people in my floor passed up Columbia coincidentally. 1 potential C.Prescott Davis scholar also. Once again you are shit that has been passed down. Go kiss my PRINCETON ass, stupid fuck.
Date: October 3rd, 2004 10:53 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Ok, which also means you're an average fuck. Have fun getting your ass pwned. With your logic, the schools you pass up, not necessarily the ones you attend are what counts. Passing up? Now you're bragging about what schools your CLASSMATES have passed up? I'm glad you've made it clear that you're someone else's bitch. I was admitted to U Mich and Berkeley-- both of which have MORE elite engineering schools than Princeton. Yet, I turned them down. You've just admitted that I'm your superior. HTH
Date: October 4th, 2004 8:26 AM Author: vigorous violet stage
Wow so you turned down Berkeley and decided to attend a TTT engineering program. Atleast Princeton's engineering is ranked up there. I turned down MIT fucker. An option you never had and will never have. Stupid shit. Your fucking logic sucks. Go suck on Columbia SEAS's nuts. You are INFERIOR to us Bitch.Somehow you are superior because you turned down some publics. So if I've turned down MIT, Stanford, and Caltech, by your logic you are my bitch. In the end I had more options then you will EVER have. You can only have fun and dream about what could have been. HTH fucker.
Date: October 4th, 2004 11:08 AM Author: Useless hairless french chef
The point is, you're an average fuck at Princeton, while I am an elite student at Columbia. Who the fuck chooses Princeton over Stanford? Are you a fucking idiot? You're also a fucking liar. You never got accepted to MIT, Stanford, etc-- because you got "accepted to Princeton ED." HAHAHA, fucking liar. Either that, or you don't really attend Princeton! Learn how to cover your tracks better. You are an average fuck. As I said, kiss my Columbia C Prescott Davis ass. HTH
Date: October 4th, 2004 2:39 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Sure, sure. You better not tell me your name, because I could fuck you up. Leaving your apps in is ILLEGAL, you stupid dumbfuck. Unlike you, I played it straight. I reemphasize to you: I am an elite student at Columbia University. You, on the other hand, are an average student at Princeton. Why/how the fuck in any way do I "ENVY" Princeton? It's more like you envying me, you being a lurker and all-- my eliteness finally motivated you to come out of your closet. Kiss my ass right in the crack, you lying motherfucker. HTH
Date: October 4th, 2004 3:15 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
Whatever you say stupid bitch. Go suck on your own "elite" TTT nuts. How do you know im average? And how can you say your dumb ass is elite? Being a C Pussy scholar means shit and you know it. After all you are the hand me down Columbia took in after being tossed to the side by all the other Elite schools. You are never princeton material and i told you average at princeton >>> tops at SEAS. Go back to thinking you are elite you worthless rejected pile of shit. And fuck that shit about illegal apps. If anything they probably mixed your app with someone who deserved to get in. I envy nothing in you. You are worthless. One day when you enter the office of a princeton boss you will know how worthless you are you conceited fuck.
Date: October 4th, 2004 3:57 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
Fanatic: Lol!! This is coming from a cheater!! Hear hear!! You can argue all you want you little bitch-fuck. You are a CHEATER, albeit a prestigious one. Stupid dumbshit-- can't even cover your own tracks. CHEATER! CHEATER! lol, HTH
Date: October 4th, 2004 5:26 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
He committed an illegal act: one that violates the signing of the ED commitment. He left his applications in for other schools after being accepted ED-- a crime punishable by immediate revokation of enrollment. In otherwords, you lied on your Princeton app by willfully doing something you clearly knew was illegal. This puts you in a dangerous position. Careful-- tell me your name, and I will assure you that you will no longer be a student. Your opinions, feelings of "eliteness," and other by-products of your Princeton acceptance could very quickly change, and are in this case, false, as they lie on the shaky premise that you will not be discovered. Cheating and other devious acts are condemnable, and in this case, by the law.
Date: October 4th, 2004 3:21 PM Author: vigorous violet stage
To digress from my talks with Elfucko, The princeton students i know and myself think Columbia is elite and we view other schools such as NU,Duke,Cornell,Rice with respect even though they might be "lower" in ranking. But we all agree certain programs like Columbia SEAS are TTTs. HTH
Date: October 4th, 2004 3:59 PM Author: Useless hairless french chef
"The princeton students i know and myself think Columbia is elite." You just acknowledged my eliteness. Thanks, that's all I needed to hear, fucker. Wait.. I mean, CHEATER! HTH
Date: October 5th, 2004 12:57 AM Author: Useless hairless french chef
It's interesting to see how cheaters (who have lost ALL credibility whatsoever) continue to post, unashamed of their shitty tactics-- a vestigial relic of their application past. If I knew your name, you would not be attending Princeton today. Watch out-- don't fuck yourself again. Again, failing to refute ANY argument, I deem you as a piece of shit.
Date: October 4th, 2004 5:26 PM
Author: ElGreco (the one and only)
He committed an illegal act: one that violates the signing of the ED commitment. He left his applications in for other schools after being accepted ED-- a crime punishable by immediate revokation of enrollment. In otherwords, you lied on your Princeton app by willfully doing something you clearly knew was illegal. This puts you in a dangerous position. Careful-- tell me your name, and I will assure you that you will no longer be a student. Your opinions, feelings of "eliteness," and other by-products of your Princeton acceptance could very quickly change, and are in this case, false, as they lie on the shaky premise that you will not be discovered. Cheating and other devious acts are condemnable, and in this case, by the law.